Return-Path: Received: from asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net ([207.145.128.243] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4891851 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 06 Nov 2012 01:01:25 +0100 Received: from mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.42]) by asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DED15A7067D for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 19:04:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 7187 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2012 00:04:24 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.4.0 ppid: 16191, pid: 25756, t: 3.6768s scanners: clamav: 0.88.2/m:52/d:10739 spam: 3.0.4 Received: from c-67-185-28-214.hsd1.wa.comcast.net (HELO [192.168.1.125]) (albion@[67.185.28.214]) (envelope-sender ) by mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 6 Nov 2012 00:04:20 -0000 From: James Culbertson Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C256DC9A-D850-4B83-81CC-8A05634E1789" Subject: Re: [AE] OT: Apple contemplating switching from Intel CPUs Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 16:03:33 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" References: Message-Id: <3E571F98-5659-44A5-A2DC-2084E1CB8148@speakeasy.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on mail3.sea5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=8.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=disabled version=3.0.4 --Apple-Mail=_C256DC9A-D850-4B83-81CC-8A05634E1789 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 I think you would find quite a few editors arguing that FCPX is superior = to Premiere at this point. And it is beginning to be picked up by some = post houses and networks. Even the BBC is using it here and there in = their programming. But I guess as ever it is a matter of preference. In any case, the problem with PC is that you have to use Windows. I'd = think about buying a PC if I could run MacOSX on it. Currently, I am = contemplating a top of the line MacBook Pro Retina. Hard to say what will happen in 5 years these days. We might be using = something entirely different than one of the big 4 "A" editors. James On Nov 5, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: > I don't want to rehash this discussion again, but honestly, why = even bother with a hackintosh when premiere is so far superior to FCP 7 = & X at this point? I find I only need my mac laptop to get files from = clients into a pc environment to do my work. I've been saying this for = over a year: mac doesn't care about its "pro" line anymore, and that = includes software as well. They make more in one day of ipad sales than = they do in an entire year of desktop hardware purchases and final cut = sales. Mac pro workstations are years behind a current pc rig at this = point, in terms of speed, configuration and price. You can go with an = imac or a macbook pro, but they are closed to hardware upgrades or = personal maintenance, cost a huge premium over equivalent pcs, and will = be outdated in five months. I've been telling people if they don't make = the switch back to pc that it's going to hurt them professionally in the = next five years, when many pro houses are already making the transition = back to avid or premiere.=20 >=20 > On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Stephen van Vuuren = wrote: > > I'm assuming you made it to the conclusion "Allaying Concerns"? >=20 > =20 >=20 > Yes. But just the fact they are contemplating it at all + the lack of = any new workstations + the fate of FCP/Shake + Apple=92s desire for the = big announcement =3D probably not going to give anyone =93plenty of = time=94 if and once it=92s a done deal. And even if it=92s not a done = deal, it pretty much confirms that the =93pro Mac=94 side of their = business no longer matters to them even if they don=92t switch to Intel. >=20 > =20 >=20 > I had been considering upgrading my Hackintosh to a =93real Mac=94 = once new Mac Pro=92s were announced (I had a couple of G5 Duals in the = past although my primary boxes are Windows and Linux). But I think I = will just go Hackintosh from here on out since you can now get = Thunderbolt working on them. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Although I=92m not a chip engineer, personally, I think they are = betting on the wrong horse (ARM iOS). In the 80/90=92s a Job-less Apple = grossly miscalculated what Intel/Microsoft would respond in the GUI PC = world. With it now a Google/Intel/Microsoft world I see the signs they = are going to miscalculate again. Another sign is the fact 75% of = smartphones in the last quarter ran Android. The iPad mini is a sign = they are worried as prior to that, they had no =93cheap=94 product =96 = although it=92s not really as cheap as it needs to be. >=20 > =20 >=20 > We=92ll see. >=20 > =20 >=20 > stephen van vuuren >=20 > 336.202.4777 >=20 > =20 >=20 > http://www.insaturnsrings.com/ >=20 > http://www.sv2dcp.com/ >=20 > http://www.sv2studios.com/ >=20 > =20 >=20 > A film is =96 or should be =96 more like music than like fiction. It = should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what=92s = behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later. >=20 > =96Stanley Kubrick >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Animator & Editor > www.teddygage.com > Brooklyn >=20 --Apple-Mail=_C256DC9A-D850-4B83-81CC-8A05634E1789 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252

James


= On Nov 5, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Teddy Gage wrote:

  = I don't want to rehash this discussion again, but honestly, why even = bother with a hackintosh when premiere is so far superior to FCP 7 & = X at this point? I find I only need my mac laptop to get files from = clients into a pc environment to do my work. I've been saying this for = over a year: mac doesn't care about its "pro" line anymore, and that = includes software as well. They make more in one day of ipad sales than = they do in an entire year of desktop hardware purchases and final cut = sales. Mac pro workstations are years behind a current pc rig at this = point, in terms of speed, configuration and price. You can go with an = imac or a macbook pro, but they are  closed to hardware upgrades or = personal maintenance, cost a huge premium over equivalent pcs, and will = be outdated in five months. I've been telling people if they don't make = the switch back to pc that it's going to hurt them professionally in the = next five years, when many pro houses are already making the transition = back to avid or premiere.

On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Stephen = van Vuuren <stephen@sv2studios.com> = wrote:

> I'm assuming you made it to the = conclusion "Allaying Concerns"?

 

Yes. But just the fact they are contemplating it = at all + the lack of any new workstations + the fate of FCP/Shake + = Apple=92s desire for the big announcement  =3D probably not going = to give anyone =93plenty of time=94 if and once it=92s a done deal. And = even if it=92s not a done deal, it pretty much confirms that the =93pro = Mac=94 side of their business no longer matters to them even if they = don=92t switch to Intel.

 

I had been considering upgrading my Hackintosh to = a =93real Mac=94 once new Mac Pro=92s were announced (I had a couple of = G5 Duals in the past although my primary boxes are Windows and Linux). = But I think I will just go Hackintosh from here on out since you can now = get Thunderbolt working on them.

 

Although I=92m not a chip engineer, personally, I = think they are betting on the wrong horse (ARM iOS). In the 80/90=92s a = Job-less Apple grossly miscalculated what Intel/Microsoft would respond = in the GUI PC world. With it now a Google/Intel/Microsoft world I see = the signs they are going to miscalculate again. Another sign is the fact = 75% of smartphones in the last quarter ran Android. The iPad mini is a = sign they are worried as prior to that, they had no =93cheap=94 product = =96 although it=92s not really as cheap as it needs to = be.

 

We=92ll see.

 

stephen van vuuren

336.202.4777

 

http://www.insaturnsrings.com/<= b>

http://www.sv2dcp.com/

http://www.sv2studios.com/

 

A film is =96 or should be =96 more like music = than like fiction. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The = theme, what=92s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes = later.

=96Stanley = Kubrick

 




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