Return-Path: Received: from mta31.charter.net ([216.33.127.82] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4895376 for ae-list@media-motion.tv; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 21:44:59 +0100 Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20121109204806.TFKY24708.mta31.charter.net@imp09> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 15:48:06 -0500 Received: from [192.168.2.3] ([71.94.133.66]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id MYo51k00d1S6qBK05Yo5LK; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 15:48:06 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=8o//B4IucHYBKSw6ZzJ5BKvhDmK8HQmI5fv+ogTc58g= c=1 sm=1 a=mAPq94Sxlh8A:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=Vx6aIzdhH7H4BIXK4xUDUQ==:17 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=qm_0IGHQnShqhyAOvs0A:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=RFaxJ1YKWH0A:10 a=p3b_eOXHgIUA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=MG8NMLpXR-tMhl8Y:21 a=FrrinhrURgQV4BE7:21 a=3feVx3l2iplgGVkZ0W0A:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=9EevnBrJZ91rNJbY:21 a=Vx6aIzdhH7H4BIXK4xUDUQ==:117 From: Jonathan Penzner Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-28-524730974 Subject: Re: [AE] AE / FCP Audio Sync Discrepancy Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:48:05 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" References: Message-Id: <49104E50-7B7A-44D0-AD95-EA24426A742C@charter.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) --Apple-Mail-28-524730974 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Thanks for the reply, Todd. Since all the FCP timelines are 24 fps, = would the 23.986 setting be in the Pro Tools project? He says he's = working in 24 fps. But if he were sending a 23.986 file back, would it = line up with my original file in AE? Would it not be out of sync there = as well? On Nov 9, 2012, at 12:38 PM, Todd Kopriva wrote: > The deviation seems to be by a factor of 1/1,000, which is exactly the = same as the fractional difference between 23.976 and 24.00. So, it seems = that your footage is being treated as 23.976fps in one application and = 24.000fps in the other. >=20 >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On >> Behalf Of Jonathan Penzner >> Sent: 09November2012 12:34 >> To: After Effects Mail List >> Subject: [AE] AE / FCP Audio Sync Discrepancy >>=20 >> Greetings to all. >>=20 >> I'm assisting on a film and the audio round trip to Pro Tools isn't >> syncing. I'm hoping someone has some insight into the problem. Which >> is: >>=20 >> The film is 24 fps. Audio 48k 16 bit out. 48k 24 bit back. >> To isolate the problem, we created 3, 5 and 7 minute clips. Each clip >> begins with a standard Cinema Tools countdown with a one frame beep = at >> the 2. Following the countdown is black with a time code. After the >> allotted time of the clip, there's another 1 frame 2 with a one frame >> beep. >> We sent this off to the sound designer who, in Pro Tools, matched the >> beeps in his set up, then sent the audio file back. >>=20 >> When I line up the files we sent with the files he sent in After >> Effects, they match perfectly. >>=20 >> In FCP, however, they're out of sync - >> In the 3 minute clip, the sound guy's beep sounds 5 frames before the >> beep at the end >> In the 5 minute clip, the sound guy's beep sounds 8 frames before = the >> beep at the end. >> In the 7 minute clip, the sound guy's beep sounds 11 frames before >> the beep at the end. >> Not only that, but the waveform appears visually in the right place = in >> the timeline of the 5 and 7 minute clips, while the actual audio = sounds >> 8 and 11 frames earlier, as noted above. >>=20 >> Does anyone have a clue what can be done to fix this problem? We = can't >> sync the film until we resolve this issue. >>=20 >> Many thanks in advance. >>=20 >> On our end: >> FCP 7.0.3 >> QT 7.6.6 Pro >> AE 11.0.0.378 >> iMac 10.7.4 >>=20 >>=20 >> Jonathan >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> JONATHAN PENZNER >> SUNDANCE/REALTIME >> VIDEO EDITING * MOTION GRAPHICS * DESIGN >>=20 >>=20 >> | STUDIO 626 345-0285 | >> | CELL 818 321-2890 | >>=20 >>=20 >> SUREAL@CHARTER.NET >=20 >=20 > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to JONATHAN PENZNER SUNDANCE/REALTIME VIDEO EDITING =95 MOTION GRAPHICS =95 DESIGN | STUDIO 626 345-0285 | | CELL 818 321-2890 | SUREAL@CHARTER.NET --Apple-Mail-28-524730974 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252
The = deviation seems to be by a factor of 1/1,000, which is exactly the same = as the fractional difference between 23.976 and 24.00. So, it seems that = your footage is being treated as 23.976fps in one application and = 24.000fps in the other.


-----Original= Message-----
From: After = Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] = On
Behalf Of Jonathan = Penzner
Sent: 09November2012 = 12:34
To: After Effects Mail = List
Subject: [AE] AE / FCP = Audio Sync Discrepancy

Greetings to = all.

I'm assisting = on a film and the audio round trip to Pro Tools = isn't
syncing. I'm hoping = someone has some insight into the problem. = Which
is:

The film is 24 = fps. Audio 48k 16 bit out. 48k 24 bit back.
To isolate the problem, we created 3, 5 and 7 minute = clips. Each clip
begins with a = standard Cinema Tools countdown with a one frame beep = at
the 2. Following the = countdown is black with a time code. After = the
allotted time of the clip, = there's another 1 frame 2 with a one frame
beep.
We sent = this off to the sound designer who, in Pro Tools, matched = the
beeps in his set up, then = sent the audio file back.

When I line up = the files we sent with the files he sent in = After
Effects, they match = perfectly.

In FCP, = however, they're out of sync -
In the 3 minute clip, the sound guy's beep sounds 5 frames = before the
beep at the = end
In the 5 minute clip, =  the sound guy's  beep sounds 8 frames before = the
beep at the = end.
In the 7 minute clip, =  the sound guy's  beep sounds 11 frames = before
the beep at the = end.
Not only that, but the = waveform appears visually in the right place = in
the timeline of the 5 and 7 = minute clips, while the actual audio sounds
8 and 11 frames earlier, as noted = above.

Does anyone = have a clue what can be done to fix this problem? We = can't
sync the film until we = resolve this issue.

Many thanks in = advance.

On our = end:
FCP = 7.0.3
QT 7.6.6 = Pro
AE = 11.0.0.378
iMac = 10.7.4


Jonathan




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