Return-Path: Received: from [208.97.132.119] (HELO homiemail-a2.g.dreamhost.com) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4895394 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 21:50:51 +0100 Received: from homiemail-a2.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a2.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FD96280076 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:53:56 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=influxx.com; h=mime-version :in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:from:subject :date:to; q=dns; s=influxx.com; b=BX2fmNbQhyCiSGj9bM9iVV5zgdY3pU zIhc27qx39IlOLU+sjtMBcFkT/xQpJ5obvBPvbj842VFnd4MmZqZsqhpECpqHMC+ +2O8M4bQ1Tu6ikVYL1Tiq95S3QsAqI0Roje5XF6UiZRu3P6vzipN7Dny48H8inMx QDj2YR4z21RTI= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=influxx.com; h= mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:from :subject:date:to; s=influxx.com; bh=yYVK6XYpbTWZ5TvcopmEQzwjF1Q= ; b=LgC4TEcb0D2JSAlkbQTmGLjNZvKQ2Czfrm4ihtwi6dD4txtnxbAHZA6Yc+sL 3/1tuAUyX6+Ul2SBFcsbkuNKLz3Eo57vzaQwWZVFt92Ngm165tSerE5hT1HnWYV4 pRnT5/26RkFwyD3/XbsXHVbRgHCcUJZRrGzQX8aV2bdXYno= Received: from [192.168.1.71] (76-206-254-56.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net [76.206.254.56]) (Authenticated sender: adam@influxx.com) by homiemail-a2.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 592BD280071 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:53:51 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6-525076268 Message-Id: From: adam mercado Subject: Re: [AE] AE / FCP Audio Sync Discrepancy Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:53:50 -0800 To: "After Effects Mail List" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) --Apple-Mail-6-525076268 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed We had this problem recently too. The offline audio was in sync yet =20 when it got sent to the audio studio for sweetening it came back to =20 the online 2-3 frames out of sync. The editor had to go and manually =20 slip every clip into sync. Was something to do with the 24fps pulldown if I remember. Adam Mercado Influxx Media Production Fullerton, CA Moving Images. For Business 714=B0928=B09896 http://www.influxx.com http://www.twitter.com/influxx http://www.linkedin.com/in/influxx http://influxx.tumblr.com/archive http://www.flickr.com/photos/influxx On Nov 9, 2012, at 12:34 PM, Jonathan Penzner wrote: > Greetings to all. > > I'm assisting on a film and the audio round trip to Pro Tools isn't =20= > syncing. I'm hoping someone has some insight into the problem. =20 > Which is: > > The film is 24 fps. Audio 48k 16 bit out. 48k 24 bit back. > To isolate the problem, we created 3, 5 and 7 minute clips. Each =20 > clip begins with a standard Cinema Tools countdown with a one frame =20= > beep at the 2. Following the countdown is black with a time code. =20 > After the allotted time of the clip, there's another 1 frame 2 with =20= > a one frame beep. > We sent this off to the sound designer who, in Pro Tools, matched =20 > the beeps in his set up, then sent the audio file back. > > When I line up the files we sent with the files he sent in After =20 > Effects, they match perfectly. > > In FCP, however, they're out of sync =96 > In the 3 minute clip, the sound guy's beep sounds 5 frames before =20 > the beep at the end > In the 5 minute clip, the sound guy's beep sounds 8 frames before =20= > the beep at the end. > In the 7 minute clip, the sound guy's beep sounds 11 frames =20 > before the beep at the end. > Not only that, but the waveform appears visually in the right place =20= > in the timeline of the 5 and 7 minute clips, while the actual audio =20= > sounds 8 and 11 frames earlier, as noted above. > > Does anyone have a clue what can be done to fix this problem? We =20 > can't sync the film until we resolve this issue. > > Many thanks in advance. > > On our end: > FCP 7.0.3 > QT 7.6.6 Pro > AE 11.0.0.378 > iMac 10.7.4 > > > Jonathan > > > > > JONATHAN PENZNER > SUNDANCE/REALTIME > VIDEO EDITING =95 MOTION GRAPHICS =95 DESIGN > > | STUDIO 626 345-0285 | > | CELL 818 321-2890 | > > SUREAL@CHARTER.NET > --Apple-Mail-6-525076268 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 We had this problem recently too. The offline audio was in sync yet when = it got sent to the audio studio for sweetening it came back to the = online 2-3 frames out of sync. The editor had to go and manually slip = every clip into sync.

Was something to do with the = 24fps pulldown if I remember.



On Nov 9, 2012, at 12:34 PM, Jonathan Penzner = wrote:

Greetings to all.

I'm = assisting on a film and the audio round trip to Pro Tools isn't syncing. = I'm hoping someone has some insight into the problem. Which = is:

The film is 24 fps. Audio 48k 16 bit out. = 48k 24 bit back.
To isolate the problem, we created 3, 5 = and 7 minute clips. Each clip begins with a standard Cinema Tools = countdown with a one frame beep at the 2. Following the countdown is = black with a time code. After the allotted time of the clip, there's = another 1 frame 2 with a one frame beep.
We sent this off to = the sound designer who, in Pro Tools, matched the beeps in his set up, = then sent the audio file back.

When I line up = the files we sent with the files he sent in After Effects, they match = perfectly.

In FCP, however, they're out of sync = =96
In the 3 minute clip, the sound guy's beep sounds 5 = frames before the beep at the end
In the 5 minute = clip,  the sound guy's  beep sounds 8 frames = before the beep at the end.
In the 7 minute = clip,  the sound guy's  beep sounds 11 frames = before the beep at the end.
Not only that, but the = waveform appears visually in the right place in the timeline of the 5 = and 7 minute clips, while the actual audio sounds 8 and 11 frames = earlier, as noted above.

Does anyone have a = clue what can be done to fix this problem? We can't sync the film until = we resolve this issue.

Many thanks in = advance.

On our end:
FCP = 7.0.3
QT 7.6.6 Pro
AE 11.0.0.378
iMac = 10.7.4


Jonathan




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VIDEO EDITING =95 MOTION GRAPHICS =95 = DESIGN
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