Return-Path: Received: from mail-lb0-f169.google.com ([209.85.217.169] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4908108 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 02:10:20 +0100 Received: by mail-lb0-f169.google.com with SMTP id gk1so6898839lbb.28 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 17:13:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=NMge1kIwRam6It/Nztk2aX+LEY4xaXxT8cKp5rjCpmk=; b=sb8qpD3YL/xE3JGC1sYnnveL3El3dXlJvIzmtYVTe5ELqMZzpY17jQeVqVxmGc33fj 2xXA7LWLjd4nzdp5RgoqUCsrvJm37U4B+93xeA3cU5rT+8cVEa0MqAUKde9OqKAmz95e rqiayLZJCrNGxfAxrIFhviaXCkhnDPhwmWILUdQFrssNE2QeZAtr1wpXNFoIe2yCkWgu rzvfBHBQbub/0uwr7Jfz7lEv02lgEa2ot3YQNhy6NNSQIVJtTGMneX2ppZqEXUN/Uw0E 9Dh81QujxthOo9mc20TX5TMLmGX8byB9doyz14QDyiYKvGI3cswlb91kZbYOXMAR2IfL XDUQ== Received: by 10.112.16.106 with SMTP id f10mr3463909lbd.1.1353806036343; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 17:13:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.135.41 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 17:13:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Teddy Gage Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 20:13:16 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] lossless alternative to prores export for pc To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04016781e41a4704cf4787e8 --f46d04016781e41a4704cf4787e8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks guys, photoJPG seems to hit a sweet spot between quality and size, or PNG if I need an alpha. Cut the upload from 1.8 gigs to 350 MB. PS Has anyone worked with Arri Alexa footage? I think either the person who did the exports to prores screwed up the compression / color space, or they may have underexposed their whole shoot. There is very little dynamic range and everything looks super flat. Is it possible to check the color space of a specific clip? I don't see it in any of the metadata. Or do I need to do a color space conversion in AE for the Alexa that I'm missing? My gut tells me it was the DP's fault and not the trip to prores. As for exports, would it be better to add in some 32 bpc curves to expand the DR, and export this "corrected" version? It looks much better and is much easier to work with. Or should I just use that on an adjustment layer, and color correct the effects plates to the neutral footage? On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Jim Curtis wrote: > The Avid codecs are free, cross platform, and support alpha. They take a > bit of work to get right, due to the menu options, and that frame size & > rate matter. They work OK with FCP, but not ideal. > > Your best bet is ProRes. If you're on Windows, I've read there is a way > to encode, but it requires some hoop jumping. Google might present the > elixir. > > > > On Nov 24, 2012, at 5:36 PM, Todd Kopriva wrote: > > > I use PNG in a QuickTime wrapper when I need lossless files and can make > do with an 8-bpc codec. For photo-real images, the files are half the size > of Animation; it has an alpha channel; and it's nigh-universal (installed > with standard QuickTime). The performance leaves something to be desired, > but that's OK for my purposes. > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On > >> Behalf Of Phil Spitler > >> Sent: 24November2012 10:10 > >> To: After Effects Mail List > >> Subject: Re: [AE] lossless alternative to prores export for pc > >> > >> I would try photoJpeg at 90% - 95% quality. > >> > >> Works great cross platform. > >> > >> No alpha channel though. > >> > >> Phil > >> > >> > >> > >> Phil Spitler | Creative Technologist | Bonfire Labs | t : > >> 415.394.8200 m : 415.571.3139 > >> > >> Website | Facebook > >> | LinkedIn > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Nov 24, 2012, at 10:01 AM, Teddy Gage wrote: > >> > >> > >> Hi all, looking for the best way to export some lossless clips > >> from AE for an editor to drop in the shots for FCP. I am receiving > >> assets in prores and currently exporting in 8bit 4:2:2, but the file > >> sizes are still pretty huge for upload. Is there a better lossless > >> codec that plays nice with FCP? Either direct from AE or in AME? I > >> don't want to have to export h264 but that may be the best option, at > >> least as offline proxies. My internet is pretty fast (6MBPS up / 50 > >> down) but no match for uploading several gigs quickly > >> > >> -- > >> Animator & Editor > >> www.teddygage.com > >> Brooklyn > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > +---End of message---+ > > To unsubscribe send any message to > > > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to > -- Animator & Editor www.teddygage.com Brooklyn --f46d04016781e41a4704cf4787e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0=A0=A0 Thanks guys, photoJPG seems to hit a sweet spot between quality a= nd size, or PNG if I need an alpha. Cut the upload from 1.8 gigs to 350 MB.= PS Has anyone worked with Arri Alexa footage? I think either the person wh= o did the exports to prores screwed up the compression / color space, or th= ey may have underexposed their whole shoot. There is very little dynamic ra= nge and everything looks super flat. Is it possible to check the color spac= e of a specific clip? I don't see it in any of the metadata. Or do I ne= ed to do a color space conversion in AE for the Alexa that I'm missing?= My gut tells me it was the DP's fault and not the trip to prores.

As for exports, would it be better to add in some 32 bpc curves to expa= nd the DR, and export this "corrected" version? It looks much bet= ter and is much easier to work with. Or should I just use that on an adjust= ment layer, and color correct the effects plates to the neutral footage?
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Jim Curtis = <= jpcurtis@me.com> wrote:
The Avid codecs are free, cross platform, and support alpha. =A0They take a= bit of work to get right, due to the menu options, and that frame size &am= p; rate matter. =A0They work OK with FCP, but not ideal.

Your best bet is ProRes. =A0If you're on Windows, I've read there i= s a way to encode, but it requires some hoop jumping. =A0Google might prese= nt the elixir.



On Nov 24, 2012, at 5:36 PM, Todd Kopriva wrote:

> I use PNG in a QuickTime wrapper when I need lossless files and can ma= ke do with an 8-bpc codec. For photo-real images, the files are half the si= ze of Animation; it has an alpha channel; and it's nigh-universal (inst= alled with standard QuickTime). The performance leaves something to be desi= red, but that's OK for my purposes.
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>> codec that plays nice with FCP? Either direct from AE or in AME? I=
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>> least as offline proxies. My internet is pretty fast (6MBPS up / 5= 0
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