Return-Path: Received: from platinum.tritoncore.com ([69.16.213.66] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4908161 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 06:04:15 +0100 Received: from 50-0-136-13.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net ([50.0.136.13]:45800 helo=[10.0.1.33]) by platinum.tritoncore.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1TcURa-0006Cg-Ia for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:07:51 -0500 From: patrick Siemer Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1075.2) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--296804018 Subject: Arri flat Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 21:07:14 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1075.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - platinum.tritoncore.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - media-motion.tv X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - gmail.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: --Apple-Mail-1--296804018 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Sounds to me like the footage was shot that way intentionally. The "flat look" is for when the footage is going to be color graded later. Most people i know tend to shoot that way when they want to decide how it will look in Post. Prolost.com does a good job of explaining the whole concept, at least for Canon DSlr shooting. http://prolost.com/blog/2012/4/10/prolost-flat.html I imagine Arri has some similar workflow. Just my guess. don't quote me on the Arri thing. - Patrick Siemer tapeandglue.com On Nov 24, 2012, at 5:13 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: > Thanks guys, photoJPG seems to hit a sweet spot between quality > and size, or PNG if I need an alpha. Cut the upload from 1.8 gigs to > 350 MB. PS Has anyone worked with Arri Alexa footage? I think either > the person who did the exports to prores screwed up the > compression / color space, or they may have underexposed their whole > shoot. There is very little dynamic range and everything looks super > flat. Is it possible to check the color space of a specific clip? I > don't see it in any of the metadata. Or do I need to do a color > space conversion in AE for the Alexa that I'm missing? My gut tells > me it was the DP's fault and not the trip to prores. > > As for exports, would it be better to add in some 32 bpc curves to > expand the DR, and export this "corrected" version? It looks much > better and is much easier to work with. Or should I just use that on > an adjustment layer, and color correct the effects plates to the > neutral footage? > > On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Jim Curtis wrote: > The Avid codecs are free, cross platform, and support alpha. They > take a bit of work to get right, due to the menu options, and that > frame size & rate matter. They work OK with FCP, but not ideal. > > Your best bet is ProRes. If you're on Windows, I've read there is a > way to encode, but it requires some hoop jumping. Google might > present the elixir. > > > > On Nov 24, 2012, at 5:36 PM, Todd Kopriva wrote: > > > I use PNG in a QuickTime wrapper when I need lossless files and > can make do with an 8-bpc codec. For photo-real images, the files > are half the size of Animation; it has an alpha channel; and it's > nigh-universal (installed with standard QuickTime). The performance > leaves something to be desired, but that's OK for my purposes. > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On > >> Behalf Of Phil Spitler > >> Sent: 24November2012 10:10 > >> To: After Effects Mail List > >> Subject: Re: [AE] lossless alternative to prores export for pc > >> > >> I would try photoJpeg at 90% - 95% quality. > >> > >> Works great cross platform. > >> > >> No alpha channel though. > >> > >> Phil > >> > >> > >> > >> Phil Spitler | Creative Technologist | Bonfire Labs | t : > >> 415.394.8200 m : 415.571.3139 > >> > >> Website | Facebook > >> | LinkedIn > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Nov 24, 2012, at 10:01 AM, Teddy Gage wrote: > >> > >> > >> Hi all, looking for the best way to export some lossless clips > >> from AE for an editor to drop in the shots for FCP. I am receiving > >> assets in prores and currently exporting in 8bit 4:2:2, but the > file > >> sizes are still pretty huge for upload. Is there a better lossless > >> codec that plays nice with FCP? Either direct from AE or in AME? I > >> don't want to have to export h264 but that may be the best > option, at > >> least as offline proxies. My internet is pretty fast (6MBPS up / 50 > >> down) but no match for uploading several gigs quickly > >> > >> -- > >> Animator & Editor > >> www.teddygage.com > >> Brooklyn > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > +---End of message---+ > > To unsubscribe send any message to > > > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to > > > > -- > Animator & Editor > www.teddygage.com > Brooklyn > --Apple-Mail-1--296804018 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
 Most people i know = tend to shoot that way when they want to decide how it will look in = Post.
Prolost.com does a = good job of explaining the whole concept, at least for Canon DSlr = shooting.


I = imagine Arri has some similar workflow.
Just my = guess.
don't quote me on the Arri = thing.
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Patrick Siemer

On Nov 24, 2012, at 5:13 PM, Teddy Gage wrote:

    Thanks guys, photoJPG seems to hit a = sweet spot between quality and size, or PNG if I need an alpha. Cut the = upload from 1.8 gigs to 350 MB. PS Has anyone worked with Arri Alexa = footage? I think either the person who did the exports to prores screwed = up the compression / color space, or they may have underexposed their = whole shoot. There is very little dynamic range and everything looks = super flat. Is it possible to check the color space of a specific clip? = I don't see it in any of the metadata. Or do I need to do a color space = conversion in AE for the Alexa that I'm missing? My gut tells me it was = the DP's fault and not the trip to prores.

As for exports, would it be better to add in some 32 bpc curves to = expand the DR, and export this "corrected" version? It looks much better = and is much easier to work with. Or should I just use that on an = adjustment layer, and color correct the effects plates to the neutral = footage?

On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Jim = Curtis <jpcurtis@me.com> wrote:
The Avid codecs are free, cross platform, and support alpha.  They = take a bit of work to get right, due to the menu options, and that frame = size & rate matter.  They work OK with FCP, but not ideal.

Your best bet is ProRes.  If you're on Windows, I've read there is = a way to encode, but it requires some hoop jumping.  Google might = present the elixir.



On Nov 24, 2012, at 5:36 PM, Todd Kopriva wrote:

> I use PNG in a QuickTime wrapper when I need lossless files and can = make do with an 8-bpc codec. For photo-real images, the files are half = the size of Animation; it has an alpha channel; and it's nigh-universal = (installed with standard QuickTime). The performance leaves something to = be desired, but that's OK for my purposes.
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>> Behalf Of Phil Spitler
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>> Subject: Re: [AE] lossless alternative to prores export for = pc
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>>      Hi all, looking for the best way to export = some lossless clips
>> from AE for an editor to drop in the shots for FCP. I am = receiving
>> assets in prores and currently exporting in 8bit 4:2:2, but the = file
>> sizes are still pretty huge for upload. Is there a better = lossless
>> codec that plays nice with FCP? Either direct from AE or in = AME? I
>> don't want to have to export h264 but that may be the best = option, at
>> least as offline proxies. My internet is pretty fast (6MBPS up = / 50
>> down) but no match for uploading several gigs quickly
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