Return-Path: Received: from mta21.charter.net ([216.33.127.81] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4908235 for ae-list@media-motion.tv; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 09:27:48 +0100 Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20121125083125.HPSK10448.mta21.charter.net@imp10> for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 03:31:25 -0500 Received: from [10.0.1.3] ([71.94.133.66]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id TkXQ1k0031S6qBK05kXQBR; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 03:31:25 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=set3ANRjRCPXVE/jtaJxOKJrtEYPXxXKq56iIP4dO9Y= c=1 sm=1 a=gyC-K9uDyC4A:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=Vx6aIzdhH7H4BIXK4xUDUQ==:17 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=HHGDD-5mAAAA:8 a=ZsGHq9l7AAAA:8 a=3j4BkbkPAAAA:8 a=jU4qhlNgAAAA:8 a=bWdBkzTTAAAA:8 a=JIUbHHiSpHLiPE4Xp4AA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=SrpMv_ytQi4A:10 a=ZF-vLlx_tRYA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=i1zE5R4R5dEA:10 a=vcTWMhGwLcPAckBW6WkA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=kyBvpicBd3yvP0BN:21 a=Vx6aIzdhH7H4BIXK4xUDUQ==:117 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6A858670-332B-48FB-A191-ED07EA407C06 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [AE] lossless alternative to prores export for pc References: From: Jonathan Penzner In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <4181349A-C08B-4BD1-8284-0D8A6839E32B@charter.net> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 19:05:34 -0800 To: After Effects Mail List Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10A523) --Apple-Mail-6A858670-332B-48FB-A191-ED07EA407C06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Alexa is Log C. Convert to linear. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 24, 2012, at 5:13 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: > Thanks guys, photoJPG seems to hit a sweet spot between quality and si= ze, or PNG if I need an alpha. Cut the upload from 1.8 gigs to 350 MB. PS Ha= s anyone worked with Arri Alexa footage? I think either the person who did t= he exports to prores screwed up the compression / color space, or they may h= ave underexposed their whole shoot. There is very little dynamic range and e= verything looks super flat. Is it possible to check the color space of a spe= cific clip? I don't see it in any of the metadata. Or do I need to do a colo= r space conversion in AE for the Alexa that I'm missing? My gut tells me it w= as the DP's fault and not the trip to prores. >=20 > As for exports, would it be better to add in some 32 bpc curves to expand t= he DR, and export this "corrected" version? It looks much better and is much= easier to work with. Or should I just use that on an adjustment layer, and c= olor correct the effects plates to the neutral footage?=20 >=20 > On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Jim Curtis wrote: >> The Avid codecs are free, cross platform, and support alpha. They take a= bit of work to get right, due to the menu options, and that frame size & ra= te matter. They work OK with FCP, but not ideal. >>=20 >> Your best bet is ProRes. If you're on Windows, I've read there is a way t= o encode, but it requires some hoop jumping. Google might present the elixi= r. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Nov 24, 2012, at 5:36 PM, Todd Kopriva wrote: >>=20 >> > I use PNG in a QuickTime wrapper when I need lossless files and can mak= e do with an 8-bpc codec. For photo-real images, the files are half the size= of Animation; it has an alpha channel; and it's nigh-universal (installed w= ith standard QuickTime). The performance leaves something to be desired, but= that's OK for my purposes. >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On >> >> Behalf Of Phil Spitler >> >> Sent: 24November2012 10:10 >> >> To: After Effects Mail List >> >> Subject: Re: [AE] lossless alternative to prores export for pc >> >> >> >> I would try photoJpeg at 90% - 95% quality. >> >> >> >> Works great cross platform. >> >> >> >> No alpha channel though. >> >> >> >> Phil >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Phil Spitler | Creative Technologist | Bonfire Labs | t : >> >> 415.394.8200 m : 415.571.3139 >> >> >> >> Website | Facebook >> >> | LinkedIn >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Nov 24, 2012, at 10:01 AM, Teddy Gage wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi all, looking for the best way to export some lossless clips >> >> from AE for an editor to drop in the shots for FCP. I am receiving >> >> assets in prores and currently exporting in 8bit 4:2:2, but the file >> >> sizes are still pretty huge for upload. Is there a better lossless >> >> codec that plays nice with FCP? Either direct from AE or in AME? I >> >> don't want to have to export h264 but that may be the best option, at >> >> least as offline proxies. My internet is pretty fast (6MBPS up / 50 >> >> down) but no match for uploading several gigs quickly >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Animator & Editor >> >> www.teddygage.com >> >> Brooklyn >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > +---End of message---+ >> > To unsubscribe send any message to >>=20 >>=20 >> +---End of message---+ >> To unsubscribe send any message to >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Animator & Editor > www.teddygage.com > Brooklyn >=20 --Apple-Mail-6A858670-332B-48FB-A191-ED07EA407C06 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The Alexa is Log C. Convert to linear.=

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On Nov 24, 2012, at 5:13 PM, Teddy= Gage <teddygage@gmail.com>= wrote:

    Thank= s guys, photoJPG seems to hit a sweet spot between quality and size, or PNG i= f I need an alpha. Cut the upload from 1.8 gigs to 350 MB. PS Has anyone wor= ked with Arri Alexa footage? I think either the person who did the exports t= o prores screwed up the compression / color space, or they may have underexp= osed their whole shoot. There is very little dynamic range and everything lo= oks super flat. Is it possible to check the color space of a specific clip? I= don't see it in any of the metadata. Or do I need to do a color space conve= rsion in AE for the Alexa that I'm missing? My gut tells me it was the DP's f= ault and not the trip to prores.

As for exports, would it be better to add in some 32 bpc curves to expan= d the DR, and export this "corrected" version? It looks much better and is m= uch easier to work with. Or should I just use that on an adjustment layer, a= nd color correct the effects plates to the neutral footage?

On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Jim Curtis <= span dir=3D"ltr"><jp= curtis@me.com> wrote:
The Avid codecs are free, cross platform, and support alpha.  They take= a bit of work to get right, due to the menu options, and that frame size &a= mp; rate matter.  They work OK with FCP, but not ideal.

Your best bet is ProRes.  If you're on Windows, I've read there is a wa= y to encode, but it requires some hoop jumping.  Google might present t= he elixir.



On Nov 24, 2012, at 5:36 PM, Todd Kopriva wrote:

> I use PNG in a QuickTime wrapper when I need lossless files and can mak= e do with an 8-bpc codec. For photo-real images, the files are half the size= of Animation; it has an alpha channel; and it's nigh-universal (installed w= ith standard QuickTime). The performance leaves something to be desired, but= that's OK for my purposes.
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>>      Hi all, looking for the best way to export some= lossless clips
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>> sizes are still pretty huge for upload. Is there a better lossless<= br> >> codec that plays nice with FCP? Either direct from AE or in AME? I<= br> >> don't want to have to export h264 but that may be the best option, a= t
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