Return-Path: Received: from [208.97.132.177] (HELO homiemail-a62.g.dreamhost.com) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4912088 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 02:01:17 +0100 Received: from homiemail-a62.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a62.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6695A634073 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 17:05:02 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=influxx.com; h=mime-version :in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:from:subject :date:to; q=dns; s=influxx.com; b=ndGPjhrkM25wNTsa23sOQqdEEweHrN cWYwiN7Ip0Ga22Ce7PLYvGCMEhPLrVHzGAr1Tk43m/b7Vq+EpPR6bt/oG2kkBFR5 27W4osWrgBoGKRdgUIUVhXeqlxCUG0M1wkBdPCHpFnWAILd/ziRY2esBTEB+mWQx tUBRnaZv0y6Fo= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=influxx.com; h= mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:from :subject:date:to; s=influxx.com; bh=oI7+KXs9w4i+hOkr/+qtqrMHaC4= ; b=e0R5AT5dlALQh/YHC5Jafm2uzOohSy5uqOweovHy1BLowzKhUW79Aafyb8Y+ VBEMggqV6W9f3cWY4WWwHY3uCWx0LetpRCOsjbdWTtBFUN+mgO7WwdBA4h6TzcXs NC+wu/JHXaaDcJgdoULcBbFRkt+daHLFPat4QWoXxwT/5IM= Received: from [192.168.1.71] (76-206-254-56.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net [76.206.254.56]) (Authenticated sender: adam@influxx.com) by homiemail-a62.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 0C28763406C for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 17:05:01 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8-120663296 Message-Id: <1627A217-9C8F-4045-A813-8E9F779A36B6@influxx.com> From: adam mercado Subject: Re: [AE] Pricing source files Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 17:05:01 -0800 To: "After Effects Mail List" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) --Apple-Mail-8-120663296 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Thanks Teddy, excellent feedback. Also I forgot to mention this project, should I be sharing its =20 entirety includes C4D and audio mixing/mastering too. Lots of mojo, =20 as you say, I could argue is proprietary. cheers Adam Mercado Influxx Media Production Fullerton, CA On Nov 29, 2012, at 4:43 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: > I tend to vary the price per project or client, depending on how =20 > much of my mojo / secrets I put into the work that I wouldn't =20 > necessarily want overused. I usually put it between 20-60% of final =20= > budget estimate. However in some cases I use projects files to =20 > incentivize payment in a timely manner, releasing them only after =20 > final payment clears. But then I usually throw it in for free. > > However if I were in your shoes, and you'd only be doing yourself a =20= > disservice by allowing them to reengineer your work in house, i'd =20 > say a 200% -300% markup isn't unreasonable. Especially if you want =20 > them to say no. > > On Nov 29, 2012 7:33 PM, "adam mercado" wrote: > Without wishing to tread old ground, I wonder what the consensus is =20= > for coming up with a pricing structure for giving clients source =20 > files. I read through the archives of the list and got a good idea =20 > of how source/project files can and should be supplied. > > I dont need $$ amounts just an idea of percentage of the finished =20 > project. I have seen ranges from 25% to 300%, quite a variance =20 > there. And bare in mind this is for a one-man freelancer situation, =20= > I imagine a facility or larger outfit would charge differently for =20 > source files. > > I had a call from a client who used to use me a lot, but over the =20 > last 2 years has pulled all their video work in house. I have not =20 > worked with them on anything new in over a year. They want some =20 > changes to a 2 year old project, then want source files 'for their =20 > archives' after. The project, like all the projects from this =20 > client, was low budget do it at a loss affair (yeah right, good =20 > riddance eh) so no way was there room in the original fee for =20 > source material. > > Seeing as they are no longer a 'good' client, and very likely are =20 > going to use my source files in house anyway, I have to make sure I =20= > get paid fairly for anything I supply them. I didnt have a contract =20= > back then, only this year did I finally get my shit together and =20 > create a contract/proposal. But they did not ask for the files =20 > then, so could this be seen as new work, a new request? > > Anyhow, I have often wondered if there is a firm structure to =20 > pricing source files as it is always a point of contention. Now I =20 > spell it out on my contract, but would like to put some firm =20 > figures there too if that is advisable. > > Sincere thanks > > Adam Mercado > Influxx Media Production > Fullerton, CA > > Moving Images. For Business > 714=B0928=B09896 > http://www.influxx.com > http://www.twitter.com/influxx > http://www.linkedin.com/in/influxx > http://influxx.tumblr.com/archive > http://www.flickr.com/photos/influxx > > > > > --Apple-Mail-8-120663296 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Teddy, excellent feedback.

Also I forgot to = mention this project, should I be sharing its entirety includes C4D and = audio mixing/mastering too. Lots of mojo, as you say, I could argue is = proprietary.

cheers

Adam = Mercado
Influxx Media Production
Fullerton, = CA



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On Nov 29, 2012, at 4:43 PM, Teddy Gage = wrote:

I tend to vary the price per project or = client, depending on how much of my mojo / secrets I put into the work = that I wouldn't necessarily want overused. I usually put it between = 20-60% of final budget estimate. However in some cases I use projects = files to incentivize  payment in a timely manner, releasing them = only after final payment clears. But then I usually throw it in for = free.

However if I were in your shoes, and you'd only = be doing yourself a disservice by allowing them to reengineer your work = in house, i'd say a 200% -300% markup isn't unreasonable. Especially if = you want them to say no.

On Nov 29, 2012 = 7:33 PM, "adam mercado" <adam@influxx.com> wrote:
Without wishing to tread old ground, I = wonder what the consensus is for coming up with a  pricing = structure for giving clients source files. I read through the archives = of the list and got a good idea of how source/project files can and = should be supplied. 

I dont need $$ amounts just an = idea of percentage of the finished project. I have seen ranges from 25% = to 300%, quite a variance there. And bare in mind this is for a one-man = freelancer situation, I imagine a facility or larger outfit would charge = differently for source files.

I had a call = from a client who used to use me a lot, but over the last 2 years = has pulled all their video work in house. I have not worked with = them on anything new in over a year. They want some changes to a 2 year = old project, then want source files 'for their archives' after. The = project, like all the projects from this client, was low budget do it at = a loss affair (yeah right, good riddance eh) so no way was there room in = the original fee for source material.

Seeing = as they are no longer a 'good' client, and very likely are going to use = my source files in house anyway, I have to make sure I get paid fairly = for anything I supply them. I didnt have a contract back then, only this = year did I finally get my shit together and create a contract/proposal. = But they did not ask for the files then, so could this be seen as new = work, a new request?

Anyhow, I have often = wondered if there is a firm structure to pricing source files as it is = always a point of contention. Now I spell it out on my contract, but = would like to put some firm figures there too if that is = advisable.

Sincere thanks

=
Adam Mercado
Influxx Media = Production
Fullerton, CA

Moving = Images. For Business
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