Return-Path: Received: from mail-qc0-f182.google.com ([209.85.216.182] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4914979 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 04 Dec 2012 05:24:47 +0100 Received: by mail-qc0-f182.google.com with SMTP id k19so3148856qcs.27 for ; Mon, 03 Dec 2012 20:28:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=GPjsDqNKI1R9WuKDMMCVismJL6BsnnoRG9C2qHRdSp4=; b=LbG6akYckS8ks62aGzsE/EqO01nMlGx41bxKilobApb3NT0HkbaStk52H6PyO1LBKy CNx54WZcHEP2YYccSu4Kxpyc50bTeaJNAS/zi4QufBUxqCSgx9jEEdbk7JTSVsK2wDJl M2TD9OVt0vfYEc9/AzQQAXW/z9RmpOW5W0n9veOmK8shvkTDmtV4Ddq7LAhCNQnk/BRL cgOZ8s6OzHSKKPBzKJX5h1DpjMuWGbp8Kprt3ygWwTbWrMkog1CcOKcW2bVxpx4sDuaG L0SY1J1MjNxdbJQWwi4zO3W65CFmwDfni6BBLPA/DjJ2zaT39rw9hVps2uNIkZFTQC1P Yxhg== Received: by 10.224.187.198 with SMTP id cx6mr20881270qab.56.1354595320007; Mon, 03 Dec 2012 20:28:40 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from [97.63.132.125] (125.sub-97-63-132.myvzw.com. [97.63.132.125]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u8sm53340qeu.2.2012.12.03.20.28.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 03 Dec 2012 20:28:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [AE] top feature requests for After Effects in 2012 References: From: Rendernyc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-711F97AD-E906-44E2-84AD-29C933301B3E X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10A523) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 23:28:35 -0500 To: After Effects Mail List Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) --Apple-Mail-711F97AD-E906-44E2-84AD-29C933301B3E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nuke On Dec 3, 2012, at 11:07 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: > To what? Motion? >=20 > On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 6:02 PM, rendernyc wrote: >> Theres also the commercial market, episodic, broadcast etc to name a few.= >> i have seen several of these companies that were using AE for comping slo= wly switching completely away from AE on many projects >>=20 >>=20 >> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 5:36 PM, Chris Zwar wrote: >>> From: Tim Sassoon [mailto:tsassoon@aol.com] >>> AE?s main competition now being Nuke, be mindful that AE?s continuing ad= vantage will be in CREATIVE and design tasks. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Actually I totally disagree with the first part. Granted I live and wor= k in a different market on the other side of the world, and everyone's exper= iences are different, so I won't be offended by anyone who disagrees with me= . But I see that After Effects serves (and dominates) two markets- motion g= raphics design and corporate video compositing. >>>=20 >>> Nuke is a different product that serves (and dominates) a different mark= et - feature film post production. No feature film company that uses Nuke w= ill switch to After Effects no matter what features are added. No corporate= video production company will switch to Nuke and lose their established wor= kflows, project histories, pool of freelancers, and profit margins. And no-= one will ever do motion graphics design in Nuke... >>>=20 >>> If you think about how much resistance you see on this forum to switchin= g from one OS to another (ie from Mac to Windows) even though you can run Af= ter Effects on both, then the resistance to switching to a whole new applica= tion, and workflow, will be much higher. Considering the huge cost and effo= rt to change to a totally new workflow using a different application, I don'= t see the dominance of After Effects or Nuke changing in the markets they cu= rrently serve. The industry standards are there - Nuke for feature films, A= fter Effects for corporates and motion graphics. >>>=20 >>> There are small areas of overlap but I don't see the overlap to be big e= nough for them to be classed as competitors. >>>=20 >>> Adobe's resources are therefore split between the needs of two markets -= motion graphics designers and corporate video producers. If they added a n= odal compositing feature, or if they did something really stupid like adding= Linux support, then they're simply diverting resources from the markets the= y serve really well into areas that have no potential except to alienate and= frustrate existing users by reducing the features and improvements to areas= that matter. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> -Chris >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> +---End of message---+ >>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> danny princz >>=20 >> exposedideas.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Animator & Editor > www.teddygage.com > Brooklyn >=20 --Apple-Mail-711F97AD-E906-44E2-84AD-29C933301B3E Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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On Dec 3, 2012, at 11:07 PM, Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com> wrote:

To what? Motion?

On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 6:02 PM, rendernyc <rendernyc@gmail.com> wrote:
Theres also the commercial market, episodic, broadcast etc to name a few.
i have seen several of these companies that were using AE for comping slowly switching completely away from AE on many projects


On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 5:36 PM, Chris Zwar <chris@chriszwar.com> wrote:
From: Tim Sassoon [mailto:tsassoon@aol.com]
AE?s main competition now being Nuke, be mindful that AE?s continuing advantage will be in CREATIVE and design tasks.


Actually I totally disagree with the first part.  Granted I live and work in a different market on the other side of the world, and everyone's experiences are different, so I won't be offended by anyone who disagrees with me.  But I see that After Effects serves (and dominates) two markets- motion graphics design and corporate video compositing.

Nuke is a different product that serves (and dominates) a different market - feature film post production.  No feature film company that uses Nuke will switch to After Effects no matter what features are added.  No corporate video production company will switch to Nuke and lose their established workflows, project histories, pool of freelancers, and profit margins.  And no-one will ever do motion graphics design in Nuke...

If you think about how much resistance you see on this forum to switching from one OS to another (ie from Mac to Windows) even though you can run After Effects on both, then the resistance to switching to a whole new application, and workflow, will be much higher.  Considering the huge cost and effort to change to a totally new workflow using a different application, I don't see the dominance of After Effects or Nuke changing in the markets they currently serve.  The industry standards are there - Nuke for feature films, After Effects for corporates and motion graphics.

There are small areas of overlap but I don't see the overlap to be big enough for them to be classed as competitors.

Adobe's resources are therefore split between the needs of two markets - motion graphics designers and corporate video producers.  If they added a nodal compositing feature, or if they did something really stupid like adding Linux support, then they're simply diverting resources from the markets they serve really well into areas that have no potential except to alienate and frustrate existing users by reducing the features and improvements to areas that matter.



-Chris



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