Return-Path: Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com ([17.158.236.237] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4941744 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 04 Jan 2013 20:38:53 +0100 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_KTIqLfKh7T44AqjPVWV/2w)" Received: from 66.49.40.101.nw.nuvox.net (66.49.40.101.nw.nuvox.net [66.49.40.101]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-26.01(7.0.4.26.0) 64bit (built Jul 13 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MG4009HQ9GFFA20@nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 04 Jan 2013 19:43:29 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.9.8327,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-01-04_05:2013-01-04,2013-01-04,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1301040196 From: Benny Christensen Subject: Re: [AE] The best ergonomic input device is... Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 13:43:27 -0600 In-reply-to: To: After Effects Mail List References: Message-id: <6E0F966F-ED62-4D20-9DF3-8342D28A8BC7@me.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) --Boundary_(ID_KTIqLfKh7T44AqjPVWV/2w) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I always thought wrists were the thing to watch out for, however I am finding that my shoulders are more sore than my wrists and my knees get so stiff I walk like John Wayne whenever I get up after even an hour or so of sitting. Add to that all the research about sitting too much and I think an adjustable desk is in my future. Benny Christensen Producers Playhouse Oklahoma City 405-858-0700 "A purpose of human life, no matter who is controlling it, is to love whoever is around to be loved." - Kurt Vonnegut On Jan 4, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Byron Nash wrote: > Using the Wacom rocker switch as Right and Middle mouse clicks pus the tap for left click is what I've been doing for 14 years. I agree Emile that the click drag is a stressor. I have been considering some kind of foot pedal for use as a modifier key. I'll have to look at the Elite. > > Also, I never thought I would get any RSI from using a tablet but I feel some issues going on near my elbow. It took over a decade but I think using the stylus may have eventually caught up with me. Lately I'm using a mouse about 25-30% of the time to switch it up. I'm also considering a larger tablet to shift some of the movement to my shoulder instead of all wrist and elbow. > > > On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: > I found that by far the most stressful action was hold and drag. I got an Elite foot pedal to mimic the left mouse button and have found it very helpful. > > > At 9:14 AM -0500 1/4/13, dan monro wrote: > I've used a wacom for years. I use the keyboard, however, for as much as possible, so I don't miss the third button much at all. I have a (3 button) mouse connected for those times I need that functionality (say in Color). You can get wacoms with scroll wheels and track pads, etc. > > Over the years I've used mice, trackballs, and tablets but always in conjunction with the keyboard. I try to vary it as much as possible. If I'm doing metadata intensive or repetitive tasks I often switch to the mouse. > > I'm lucky in that I vary rooms, so my desk height changes subtly, and I use my laptop and desktop systems at the same time, so my hand positions change. > > A good heavy coffee cup helps, too. A squeeze ball, a dumbbell, maybe even a second mouse of a different size. It all seems to relate to variation of your body/hand position. > > HTH, and good luck with it, > D > > > On ThursdayJan 32013, at 6:09 PM, scott.aelist wrote: > > sorry to bring up this topic again, but I recently have been experiencing some RSI symptoms and I have a couple questions: > > - to the people who have simply switched mouse hands (right <> left), how do you deal with your keyboard? Do you still use the modifier keys on the left side, or do you switch to the right? if you switch to the right, what do you do about undo (cmd/cntr - Z) copy, paste, select all, redo etc... ? > > - to those who use a tablet, do you find you still have the same functionality as your 3-button mouse? I rely heavily on mouse buttons, especially for general camera navigation in C4D, and am concerned because the stylus only appears to have 2 buttons. Also, no more scroll-wheel, correct? > > > > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to > > > -- > -- Emile > > If you can walk, you can surely DANCE > > My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ > > My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld > > > > > > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to > --Boundary_(ID_KTIqLfKh7T44AqjPVWV/2w) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I = always thought wrists were the thing to watch out for, however I am = finding that my shoulders are more sore than my wrists and my knees get = so stiff I walk like John Wayne whenever I get up after even an hour or = so of sitting. Add to that all the research about sitting too much and I = think an adjustable desk is in my future.

Be= nny Christensen
Producers Playhouse
Oklahoma = City
405-858-0700

"A = purpose of human life, no matter who is controlling it, is to love = whoever is around to be loved." - Kurt = Vonnegut
=

On Jan 4, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Byron Nash wrote:

Using the Wacom rocker switch as Right and Middle mouse = clicks pus the tap for left click is what I've been doing for 14 years. =  I agree Emile that the click drag is a stressor. I have been = considering some kind of foot pedal for use as a modifier key. I'll have = to look at the Elite. 

Also, I never thought I would get any RSI from = using a tablet but I feel some issues going on near my elbow. It took = over a decade but I think using the stylus may have eventually caught up = with me. Lately I'm using a mouse about 25-30% of the time to switch it = up. I'm also considering a larger tablet to shift some of the movement = to my shoulder instead of all wrist and elbow.


On = Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) <emile@foryourhead.com> wrote:
I found that by far = the most stressful action was hold and drag. I got an Elite foot pedal = to mimic the left mouse button and have found it very helpful.


At 9:14 AM -0500 1/4/13, dan monro wrote:
I've used a wacom for years. I use the keyboard, however, for as much as = possible, so I don't miss the third button much at all. I have a (3 = button) mouse connected for those times I need that functionality (say = in Color). You can get wacoms with scroll wheels and track pads, = etc.

Over the years I've used mice, trackballs, and tablets but always in = conjunction with the keyboard. I try to vary it as much as possible. If = I'm doing metadata intensive or repetitive tasks I often switch to the = mouse.

I'm lucky in that I vary rooms, so my desk height changes subtly, and I = use my laptop and desktop systems at the same time, so my hand positions = change.

A good heavy coffee cup helps, too. A squeeze ball, a dumbbell, maybe = even a second mouse of a different size. It all seems to relate to = variation of your body/hand position.

HTH, and good luck with it,
D


On ThursdayJan 32013, at 6:09 PM, scott.aelist wrote:

 sorry to bring up this topic again, but I recently have been = experiencing some RSI symptoms and I have a couple questions:

 - to the people who have simply switched mouse hands (right = <> left), how do you deal with your keyboard? Do you still use the = modifier keys on the left side, or do you switch to the right? if you = switch to the right, what do you do about undo (cmd/cntr - Z) copy, = paste, select all, redo etc... ?

 - to those who use a tablet, do you find you still have the same = functionality as your 3-button mouse? I rely heavily on mouse buttons, = especially for general camera navigation in C4D, and am concerned = because the stylus only appears to have 2 buttons. Also, no more = scroll-wheel, correct?



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