Return-Path: Received: from host23.canaca.com ([66.49.161.151] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4941763 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 04 Jan 2013 21:00:08 +0100 Received: from 207-195-100-23.regn.static.sasknet.sk.ca ([207.195.100.23]:52091 helo=[192.168.1.28]) by host23.canaca.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1TrDVj-0004TZ-QD for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 04 Jan 2013 15:05:00 -0500 From: Jack Tunnicliffe Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_1E72C254-0330-4379-AF72-C6E61B78A1B5" Message-Id: <04CA4B15-C3C3-4DB2-99A7-111996C19387@javapost.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Subject: Re: [AE] The best ergonomic input device is... Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 14:04:59 -0600 References: To: "After Effects Mail List" In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host23.canaca.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - media-motion.tv X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - javapost.ca X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: host23.canaca.com: authenticated_id: jack+javapost.ca/only user confirmed/virtual account not confirmed X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: --Apple-Mail=_1E72C254-0330-4379-AF72-C6E61B78A1B5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have a desk in one suite that is motorized and changes from sitting = height to standing height in 20 seconds. The heights are pre-programmed = and monitors, control panels, keyboards all move with the desk surface. = I also work out at the gym 4 or 5 times a week, squash, racquetball, = weights, exercise machines and never have any physical issues even = though I am almost 59. Keeping your muscles and joints strong is a big = part of avoiding injuries from RSI. People half my age at our facility = are plagued by these issues even though they work shorter hours than = myself. Get yourself a gym membership and a trainer. Takes time and = dedication but the other benefit is the added energy you'll have from = being fit all the time. Jack Tunnicliffe Java Post Production www.javapost.ca On Jan 4, 2013, at 1:43 PM, Benny Christensen = wrote: > I always thought wrists were the thing to watch out for, however I am = finding that my shoulders are more sore than my wrists and my knees get = so stiff I walk like John Wayne whenever I get up after even an hour or = so of sitting. Add to that all the research about sitting too much and I = think an adjustable desk is in my future. >=20 > Benny Christensen > Producers Playhouse > Oklahoma City > 405-858-0700 >=20 > "A purpose of human life, no matter who is controlling it, is to love = whoever is around to be loved." - Kurt Vonnegut >=20 > On Jan 4, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Byron Nash wrote: >=20 >> Using the Wacom rocker switch as Right and Middle mouse clicks pus = the tap for left click is what I've been doing for 14 years. I agree = Emile that the click drag is a stressor. I have been considering some = kind of foot pedal for use as a modifier key. I'll have to look at the = Elite.=20 >>=20 >> Also, I never thought I would get any RSI from using a tablet but I = feel some issues going on near my elbow. It took over a decade but I = think using the stylus may have eventually caught up with me. Lately I'm = using a mouse about 25-30% of the time to switch it up. I'm also = considering a larger tablet to shift some of the movement to my shoulder = instead of all wrist and elbow. >>=20 >>=20 >> On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) = wrote: >> I found that by far the most stressful action was hold and drag. I = got an Elite foot pedal to mimic the left mouse button and have found it = very helpful. >>=20 >>=20 >> At 9:14 AM -0500 1/4/13, dan monro wrote: >> I've used a wacom for years. I use the keyboard, however, for as much = as possible, so I don't miss the third button much at all. I have a (3 = button) mouse connected for those times I need that functionality (say = in Color). You can get wacoms with scroll wheels and track pads, etc. >>=20 >> Over the years I've used mice, trackballs, and tablets but always in = conjunction with the keyboard. I try to vary it as much as possible. If = I'm doing metadata intensive or repetitive tasks I often switch to the = mouse. >>=20 >> I'm lucky in that I vary rooms, so my desk height changes subtly, and = I use my laptop and desktop systems at the same time, so my hand = positions change. >>=20 >> A good heavy coffee cup helps, too. A squeeze ball, a dumbbell, maybe = even a second mouse of a different size. It all seems to relate to = variation of your body/hand position. >>=20 >> HTH, and good luck with it, >> D >>=20 >>=20 >> On ThursdayJan 32013, at 6:09 PM, scott.aelist wrote: >>=20 >> sorry to bring up this topic again, but I recently have been = experiencing some RSI symptoms and I have a couple questions: >>=20 >> - to the people who have simply switched mouse hands (right <> = left), how do you deal with your keyboard? Do you still use the modifier = keys on the left side, or do you switch to the right? if you switch to = the right, what do you do about undo (cmd/cntr - Z) copy, paste, select = all, redo etc... ? >>=20 >> - to those who use a tablet, do you find you still have the same = functionality as your 3-button mouse? I rely heavily on mouse buttons, = especially for general camera navigation in C4D, and am concerned = because the stylus only appears to have 2 buttons. Also, no more = scroll-wheel, correct? >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> +---End of message---+ >> To unsubscribe send any message to >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> -- Emile >>=20 >> If you can walk, you can surely DANCE >>=20 >> My photography can be viewed at = http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ >>=20 >> My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> +---End of message---+ >> To unsubscribe send any message to >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_1E72C254-0330-4379-AF72-C6E61B78A1B5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I = have a desk in one suite that is motorized and changes from sitting = height to standing height in 20 seconds. The heights are pre-programmed = and monitors, control panels, keyboards all move with the desk surface. = I also work out at the gym 4 or 5 times a week, squash, racquetball, = weights, exercise machines and never have any physical issues even = though I am almost 59. Keeping your muscles and joints strong is a big = part of avoiding injuries from RSI. People half my age at our facility = are plagued by these issues even though they work shorter hours than = myself. Get yourself a gym membership and a trainer. Takes time and = dedication but the other benefit is the added energy you'll have from = being fit all the time.

Jack Tunnicliffe
Java Post Production
www.javapost.ca



On Jan 4, 2013, at 1:43 PM, Benny Christensen <bennychristensen@me.com> = wrote:

I always thought wrists = were the thing to watch out for, however I am finding that my shoulders = are more sore than my wrists and my knees get so stiff I walk like John = Wayne whenever I get up after even an hour or so of sitting. Add to that = all the research about sitting too much and I think an adjustable desk = is in my future.

Benny = Christensen
Producers Playhouse
Oklahoma = City
405-858-0700

"A = purpose of human life, no matter who is controlling it, is to love = whoever is around to be loved." - Kurt = Vonnegut

On Jan 4, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Byron Nash wrote:

Using the Wacom rocker switch as Right and Middle mouse = clicks pus the tap for left click is what I've been doing for 14 years. =  I agree Emile that the click drag is a stressor. I have been = considering some kind of foot pedal for use as a modifier key. I'll have = to look at the Elite. 

Also, I never thought I would get any RSI from = using a tablet but I feel some issues going on near my elbow. It took = over a decade but I think using the stylus may have eventually caught up = with me. Lately I'm using a mouse about 25-30% of the time to switch it = up. I'm also considering a larger tablet to shift some of the movement = to my shoulder instead of all wrist and elbow.


On = Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) <emile@foryourhead.com> wrote:
I found that by far = the most stressful action was hold and drag. I got an Elite foot pedal = to mimic the left mouse button and have found it very helpful.


At 9:14 AM -0500 1/4/13, dan monro wrote:
I've used a wacom for years. I use the keyboard, however, for as much as = possible, so I don't miss the third button much at all. I have a (3 = button) mouse connected for those times I need that functionality (say = in Color). You can get wacoms with scroll wheels and track pads, = etc.

Over the years I've used mice, trackballs, and tablets but always in = conjunction with the keyboard. I try to vary it as much as possible. If = I'm doing metadata intensive or repetitive tasks I often switch to the = mouse.

I'm lucky in that I vary rooms, so my desk height changes subtly, and I = use my laptop and desktop systems at the same time, so my hand positions = change.

A good heavy coffee cup helps, too. A squeeze ball, a dumbbell, maybe = even a second mouse of a different size. It all seems to relate to = variation of your body/hand position.

HTH, and good luck with it,
D


On ThursdayJan 32013, at 6:09 PM, scott.aelist wrote:

 sorry to bring up this topic again, but I recently have been = experiencing some RSI symptoms and I have a couple questions:

 - to the people who have simply switched mouse hands (right = <> left), how do you deal with your keyboard? Do you still use the = modifier keys on the left side, or do you switch to the right? if you = switch to the right, what do you do about undo (cmd/cntr - Z) copy, = paste, select all, redo etc... ?

 - to those who use a tablet, do you find you still have the same = functionality as your 3-button mouse? I rely heavily on mouse buttons, = especially for general camera navigation in C4D, and am concerned = because the stylus only appears to have 2 buttons. Also, no more = scroll-wheel, correct?



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