Return-Path: Received: from mail-qc0-f176.google.com ([209.85.216.176] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4944791 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 23:18:50 +0100 Received: by mail-qc0-f176.google.com with SMTP id n41so1122879qco.7 for ; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:23:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=6NyMHi2Hm8ArPJ5sqEub0vfmn6R50W9Xc4a7KOpdU0s=; b=vi0qj8bkH2YDtWr9oZNDQguaEG/IfsRhIHHYHoliWljbEgMxD/34qc3DNcdFgcXdaN +5Z3x/GqUWqv/5Pbt5RoRwdKUA/I9OOfQYK6gD7pH2odZ2k7bI1lWdsgnYg4k/Pq5DRs NRt7pVXStv24yPmNWqM+l/42hAjYmrMbEV/BXqE8HTK9u1dTBQAI9ah4ZJpCHjawSWYF 3/4DCzj/4FlfvCkdfdub9+okvt3CoOrM9AoTo9Vm8povedtojYs2Hh6BR+AyzXWqKGUK fpG3CJj/4zedtoCq6Crcao6Z6Us6+ScJOwMHt0EqU4kMEvdIFh6VjIbkLejE3n3dbMfG nKqQ== Received: by 10.49.82.75 with SMTP id g11mr56704050qey.12.1357683830106; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:23:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.49.106.226 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 14:23:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Teddy Gage Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 17:23:10 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] iMac SSD or Fusion? To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b6d8f52692aeb04d2ce6658 --047d7b6d8f52692aeb04d2ce6658 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have a 256gb Vertex extreme in my windows workstation as OS drive, so no, not my first experience. The fusion drive is great but falls somewhere between a HDD and an SSD in terms of speed. The most notable difference is that my laptop boots much faster, but it is no SSD in terms of file transfers. I get maybe 10 MB/s more on long file transfers than a pure HDD, but even that can make a difference. However my girl's macbook air with an SSD boots in less than half the time into the same version of snow leopard (maybe 10-15 seconds?). And file transfers are at least 2x faster. I'm starting a new long term freelance job so I may justify the purchase of a new quad core retina mbp... On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 3:46 PM, D wrote: > Teddy, can I ask, is your fusion drive the first experience you've had of > using an SSD or had you used a separate SSD boot drive before then? If > you've experienced both scenarios, what were the differences, if any? > > Have to say, I recently added an SSD to a late 2008 MBP as a boot > drive alongside a data doubler from OWC for my HDD. This is my first > SSD experience. The speed has blown me away. > > Thanks. > > > On Tuesday, January 8, 2013, rendernyc wrote: > >> >> http://www.macworld.com/article/2014011/how-to-make-your-own-fusion-drive.html >> >> apparently when you format the drives this way osx is supposedly managing >> it as a fusion drive. >> >> Its similar but not the same as a hybrid drive that has a few GB of flash >> memory caching files >> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2412726,00.asp >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: >> >> I guess that wasn't clear. I was speaking about the single fusion drive >> as a hybrid SSD / HDD being one volume. You can't choose which files go on >> the SSD side of the fusion drive, like you said. NOT that I formatted two >> separate drives as some kind of JBOD. I wonder if that would even be >> possible... >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 2:56 PM, rendernyc wrote: >> >> You installed an SSD as well as a conventional disk and formatted as one >> volume? >> Any reason that you didnt keep them separate? >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: >> >> I have a fusion drive in my mid 2010 mbp (after the original hdd went >> kaboom). It is meant primarily as an OS drive, as the OS seems to keep the >> startup files on ssd partition for extremely fast booting. (although not as >> fast as my girlfriend's 2012 macbook air with ssd) As Danny said, there's >> no way to control which data goes where on the disk. for the user it's seen >> as a single volume. However it has made my mac feel significantly faster >> and I consider it a great upgrade, for an OS drive in a laptop. Not so much >> as a cache / project drive though. >> >> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 2:36 PM, rendernyc wrote: >> >> The OS determines whats on the SSD. its completely transparent to the >> user. >> If you want to use an SSD for the AE cache there is no way to set unless >> you have a discreet SSD. >> >> i work at a place where they put an SSD in an external TB case and have >> it mounted to the back of the imac and thunderbolt connected, so thats an >> option as well. >> >> If you have an extra system that you want to see how it may work there >> apparently is a way from the terminal to make your HD and SSD one volume >> and OSX will manage it as a fusion drive. i have it tried it so ymmv... >> >> >> http://www.macworld.com/article/2014011/how-to-make-your-own-fusion-drive.html >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Brian Klein wrote: >> >> I'm curious if anyone has played with the fusion drive set-up in a >> production environment on the new iMacs? We're debating on whether or not >> we want to spend the extra $1,000 on an SSD or not. I'd prefer to do it >> that way, but the budgeteers want to save the money... :) >> >> I'm mostly wondering how well it'll work with an AE cache? And if you can >> determine what is installed on the SSD in the fusion drive setup. for >> instance, I have a ton of apps that I really don't care if they are on the >> SSD or not, I just want my pro apps on the SSD, and then use the remaining >> space for the AE cache. >> >> Brian Klein >> Video Editor and Motion Graphics Artist >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> StoneArch >> stonearchcreative.com >> twitter: @kleinbc >> >> >> >> >> -- >> danny princz >> >> exposedideas.com >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Animator >> >> -- >> danny princz >> >> exposedideas.com >> > -- Animator & Editor www.teddygage.com Brooklyn --047d7b6d8f52692aeb04d2ce6658 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a 256gb Vertex extreme in my windows workstation as OS drive, so no,= not my first experience. The fusion drive is great but falls somewhere bet= ween a HDD and an SSD in terms of speed. The most notable difference is tha= t my laptop boots much faster, but it is no SSD in terms of file transfers.= I get maybe 10 MB/s more on long file transfers than a pure HDD, but even = that can make a difference. However my girl's macbook air with an SSD b= oots in less than half the time into the same version of snow leopard (mayb= e 10-15 seconds?). And file transfers are at least 2x faster.

I'm starting a new long term freelance job so I may justify the pur= chase of a new quad core retina mbp...

On= Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 3:46 PM, D <dow.hanson@gmail.com> wr= ote:
Teddy, can I ask, is your fusion drive the f= irst experience you've had of using=A0an SSD or had you used a separate= =A0SSD boot drive before then? If you've experienced both scenarios, wh= at were the differences, if any?=A0

Have to say, I recently added an SSD to a=A0late 2008 MBP as= a boot drive=A0alongside a data doubler from OWC for my HDD. = This is my first SSD=A0experience.=A0The speed has blown me away.=A0

Thanks.=A0


On Tuesday, January 8, = 2013, rendernyc wrote:
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http://www.macworld.com/= article/2014011/how-to-make-your-own-fusion-drive.html

apparently when you format the drives this way osx is s= upposedly managing it as a fusion drive.

Its similar but not the same as a hybrid drive that has= a few GB of flash memory caching files




On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 3:01 PM, T= eddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com> wrote= :
I guess that wasn't clear. I was speaking about the single fus= ion drive as a hybrid SSD / HDD being one volume. You can't choose whic= h files go on the SSD side of the fusion drive, like you said. NOT that I f= ormatted two separate drives as some kind of JBOD. I wonder if that would e= ven be possible...


On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 2:56 PM, rendernyc <rendernyc@gmail.com> wrote:
You installed an SSD as well as a conventional disk and fo= rmatted as one volume?
Any reason that you didnt keep them separate?


On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Teddy Gage <teddyga= ge@gmail.com> wrote:
=A0I have a fusion drive in my mid 2010 mbp (after the original hd= d went kaboom). It is meant primarily as an OS drive, as the OS seems to ke= ep the startup files on ssd partition for extremely fast booting. (although= not as fast as my girlfriend's 2012 macbook air with ssd) As Danny sai= d, there's no way to control which data goes where on the disk. for the= user it's seen as a single volume. However it has made my mac feel sig= nificantly faster and I consider it a great upgrade, for an OS drive in a l= aptop. Not so much as a cache / project drive though.=A0

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 2:36 PM, rendernyc <rendernyc@gmail.com> wrote:
The OS determines whats on the SSD. its completely transpa= rent to the user.
If you want to use an SSD for the AE cache there is n= o way to set unless you have a discreet SSD.

i work at a place where they put an SSD in an external TB case and hav= e it mounted to the back of the imac and thunderbolt connected, so thats an= option as well.

If you have an extra system that = you want to see how it may work there apparently is a way from the terminal= to make your HD and SSD one volume and OSX will manage it as a fusion driv= e. i have it tried it so ymmv...






O= n Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Brian Klein <brianck= lein1@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm curious if anyone has played with the fus= ion drive set-up in a production environment on the new iMacs? We're de= bating on whether or not we want to spend the extra $1,000 on an SSD or not= . I'd prefer to do it that way, but the budgeteers want to save the mon= ey... :)

I'm mostly wondering how well it'll work with an AE = cache? And if you can determine what is installed on the SSD in the fusion = drive setup. for instance, I have a ton of apps that I really don't car= e if they are on the SSD or not, I just want my pro apps on the SSD, and th= en use the remaining space for the AE cache.

Brian Klein
Video Editor and Motion= Graphics Artist
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .= =A0
StoneArch
twitter: @kleinbc




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