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From: D To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf300e56e5b3748b04d2ce7a52 --20cf300e56e5b3748b04d2ce7a52 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Teddy, really interesting. I'd love to try out a new quad retina MBP. Let us know how it performs if you go for one. D. On Tuesday, January 8, 2013, Teddy Gage wrote: > I have a 256gb Vertex extreme in my windows workstation as OS drive, so > no, not my first experience. The fusion drive is great but falls somewhere > between a HDD and an SSD in terms of speed. The most notable difference is > that my laptop boots much faster, but it is no SSD in terms of file > transfers. I get maybe 10 MB/s more on long file transfers than a pure HDD, > but even that can make a difference. However my girl's macbook air with an > SSD boots in less than half the time into the same version of snow leopard > (maybe 10-15 seconds?). And file transfers are at least 2x faster. > > I'm starting a new long term freelance job so I may justify the purchase > of a new quad core retina mbp... > > On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 3:46 PM, D wrote: > > Teddy, can I ask, is your fusion drive the first experience you've had of > using an SSD or had you used a separate SSD boot drive before then? If > you've experienced both scenarios, what were the differences, if any? > > Have to say, I recently added an SSD to a late 2008 MBP as a boot > drive alongside a data doubler from OWC for my HDD. This is my first > SSD experience. The speed has blown me away. > > Thanks. > > > On Tuesday, January 8, 2013, rendernyc wrote: > > > http://www.macworld.com/article/2014011/how-to-make-your-own-fusion-drive.html > > apparently when you format the drives this way osx is supposedly managing > it as a fusion drive. > > Its similar but not the same as a hybrid drive that has a few GB of flash > memory caching files > http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2412726,00.asp > > > > > On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: > > I guess that wasn't clear. I was speaking about the single fusion drive as > a hybrid SSD / HDD being one volume. You can't choose which files go on the > SSD side of the fusion drive, like you said. NOT that I formatted two > separate drives as some kind of JBOD. I wonder if that would even be > possible... > > > On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 2:56 PM, rendernyc wrote: > > You installed an SSD as well as a conventional disk and formatted as one > volume? > Any reason that you didnt keep them separate? > > > On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: > > I have a fusion drive in my mid 2010 mbp (after the original hdd went > kaboom). It is meant primarily as an OS drive, as the OS seems to keep the > startup files on ssd partition for extremely fast booting. (although not as > fast as my girlfriend's 2012 macbook air with ssd) As Danny said, there's > no way to control which data goes where on the disk. for the user it's seen > as a single volume. However it has made my mac feel significantly faster > and I consider it a great upgrade, for an OS drive in a laptop. Not so much > as a cache / project drive though. > > On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 2:36 PM, rendernyc wrote: > > The OS determines whats on the SSD. its completely transparent to the user. > If you want to use an SSD for the AE cache there is no way to set unless > you have a discreet SSD. > > i work at a place where they put an SSD in an external TB case and have it > mounted to the back of the imac and thunderbolt connected, so thats an > option as well. > > If you have an extra system that you want to see how it may work there > apparently is a way from the terminal to make your HD and SSD one volume > and OSX will manage it as a fusion drive. i have it tried it so ymmv... > > > http://www.macworld.com/article/2014011/how-to-make-your-own-fusion-drive.html > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Brian Klein wrote: > > I'm curious if anyone has played with the fusion drive set-up in a > production environment on the new iMacs? We're debating on whether or not > we want to spend the extra $1,000 on an SSD or not. I'd prefer to do it > that way, but the budgeteers want to save the money... :) > > I'm mostly > > -- > Animator & Editor > www.teddygage.com > Brooklyn > --20cf300e56e5b3748b04d2ce7a52 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Teddy, really interesting. I'd love to try out a new quad retina= MBP. Let us know how it performs if you go for one.=A0

= D.=A0

On Tuesday, January 8, 2013, Teddy Gage wrote:
I have a 256gb Vertex extreme in my windows = workstation as OS drive, so no, not my first experience. The fusion drive i= s great but falls somewhere between a HDD and an SSD in terms of speed. The= most notable difference is that my laptop boots much faster, but it is no = SSD in terms of file transfers. I get maybe 10 MB/s more on long file trans= fers than a pure HDD, but even that can make a difference. However my girl&= #39;s macbook air with an SSD boots in less than half the time into the sam= e version of snow leopard (maybe 10-15 seconds?). And file transfers are at= least 2x faster.

I'm starting a new long term freelance job so I may justify the pur= chase of a new quad core retina mbp...

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 3= :46 PM, D <dow.hanson@gmail.com> wrot= e:
Teddy, can I ask, is your fusion drive the first experience you= 9;ve had of using=A0an SSD or had you used a separate=A0SSD boot drive befo= re then? If you've experienced both scenarios, what were the difference= s, if any?=A0

Have to say, I recently added an SSD to a=A0late 2008 MBP as= a boot drive=A0alongside a data doubler from OWC for my HDD. = This is my first SSD=A0experience.=A0The speed has blown me away.=A0

Thanks.=A0


On Tuesday, January 8, 2013, rendern= yc wrote:
http://www.macworld.com/= article/2014011/how-to-make-your-own-fusion-drive.html

apparently when you format the drives this way osx is s= upposedly managing it as a fusion drive.

Its similar but not the same as a hybrid drive that has= a few GB of flash memory caching files



On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Teddy Gage <= teddygage@gmail.com> wrote:
I guess that wasn't clear. I was speaking about the single fus= ion drive as a hybrid SSD / HDD being one volume. You can't choose whic= h files go on the SSD side of the fusion drive, like you said. NOT that I f= ormatted two separate drives as some kind of JBOD. I wonder if that would e= ven be possible...


On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 2:56 PM, rendernyc <rendernyc@gmail.com> wrote:
You installed an SSD as well as a conventional disk and fo= rmatted as one volume?
Any reason that you didnt keep them separate?


On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Teddy Gage <teddyga= ge@gmail.com> wrote:
=A0I have a fusion drive in my mid 2010 mbp (after the original hd= d went kaboom). It is meant primarily as an OS drive, as the OS seems to ke= ep the startup files on ssd partition for extremely fast booting. (although= not as fast as my girlfriend's 2012 macbook air with ssd) As Danny sai= d, there's no way to control which data goes where on the disk. for the= user it's seen as a single volume. However it has made my mac feel sig= nificantly faster and I consider it a great upgrade, for an OS drive in a l= aptop. Not so much as a cache / project drive though.=A0

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 2:36 PM, rendernyc <rendernyc@gmail.com> wrote:
The OS determines whats on the SSD. its completely transpa= rent to the user.
If you want to use an SSD for the AE cache there is n= o way to set unless you have a discreet SSD.

i work at a place where they put an SSD in an external TB case and hav= e it mounted to the back of the imac and thunderbolt connected, so thats an= option as well.

If you have an extra system that = you want to see how it may work there apparently is a way from the terminal= to make your HD and SSD one volume and OSX will manage it as a fusion driv= e. i have it tried it so ymmv...






O= n Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Brian Klein <brianck= lein1@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm curious if anyone has played with the fus= ion drive set-up in a production environment on the new iMacs? We're de= bating on whether or not we want to spend the extra $1,000 on an SSD or not= . I'd prefer to do it that way, but the budgeteers want to save the mon= ey... :)

I'm mostly
--
Animator & Editor
www.teddygage.com
Brooklyn
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