Return-Path: Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.8] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4946845 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 03:43:35 +0100 Received: from oxbaltgw04.schlund.de (oxbaltgw04.schlund.de [172.19.246.10]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LcxWa-1TBbDM0kG8-00iCEQ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 03:48:40 +0100 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 03:48:39 +0100 (CET) From: "mylenium@mylenium.de" Reply-To: "mylenium@mylenium.de" To: After Effects Mail List Message-ID: <831374603.1107031.1357872519991.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1und1.de> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [AE] Real life lens flares MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1107030_1442383746.1357872519944" X-Priority: 3 Importance: Medium X-Mailer: Open-Xchange Mailer v6.20.7-Rev4 X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:7muboQwBNwFZ6VCErOti8oTq8ee+AlMjo3/r0ZVzh0E cs4M8q9V1b7dwAV6A6BkGAixF0il3/igC5qSrs5e+1JB/3L5Wy TOygZvJ8l+ZBFjbdo/b3nQ9cDTWJDGaJjKYeNokhQiMpz0e+NT JjcS8j7uvl92Tcm1wkLJE//gHMPeF6t9Yt+zr1AgfkH2NHO6hY 7zkZukXAZ+CVaI34tA7L0t8fshnqhTq+EJYWy1a3mPPi64iSec 5AJ6pM2Yw1edTnM4SpHvIA8YGgUVU067C8k8h20vOHWou7l0m2 V2Oa3h/GQPohV8x0gZHMfhm8lav/6I+zhVbKD3tTKzuzU3n2oX Ek5rMB9UZWZ9zULgLRbBdScnTgSkjUWgidCYpuwGmyAxE+ILZx iIyLxP57FinZX09udCxnuKLc3wB4ci5bZpQPZiaSMH86Pc96P+ p8rmu ------=_Part_1107030_1442383746.1357872519944 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=20 > I also recently watched =E2=80=9CAlien=E2=80=9D on bluray and marvel= ed how much better > and natural the real flares are vs. JJ Abrams flareporn >=20 Depends, I guess. Naturally flares in those old movies are more "natural" because people tried to avoid them in the first place back then... The JJ A= brams stuff isn't half bad, really. At least they are in-camera, real flares wher= ever possible, no matter how excessively used at times... Mylenium [Pour Myl=C3=A8ne, ange sur terre] ----------------------------------------- www.mylenium.de Stephen van Vuuren hat am 11. Januar 2013 um 03:30 geschrieben: >=20 > > You can't beat the real thing though. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Agree completely. That=E2=80=99s one of the major issues with my space f= ilm for IMAX > built off photographs. In creating shots with the sun, the photographs of= the > sun in high resolution don=E2=80=99t have any flaring due to the lenses a= nd cameras > use but we expect to see them. Since the whole film is CGI-less (from the > standpoint of creating any image data beyond what is present in the > photographs), the shots currently look odd without lens flares. >=20 >=20 > But added a CGI flare from one the many fine plugs available not only > violates the principles of the film, but reveals how much not like the re= al > thing they in fact are. I also recently watched =E2=80=9CAlien=E2=80=9D o= n bluray and marveled > how much better and natural the real flares are vs. JJ Abrams flareporn. >=20 >=20 >=20 > I do think it would be possible to improve the current flare plugin by u= sing > physic-based naturalist modeling. >=20 >=20 >=20 > But for my project, I would love to get an ISS astronaut to mount a came= ra to > tripod and shoot a multishot HDR composite of sun flares for my film as t= he > plugs fail when combined with real footage, in my view. >=20 >=20 >=20 > stephen van vuuren >=20 > 336.202.4777 >=20 >=20 >=20 > http://www.insaturnsrings.com/ >=20 > http://www.sv2dcp.com/ >=20 > http://www.sv2studios.com/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > A film is =E2=80=93 or should be =E2=80=93 more like music than like fic= tion. It should be a > progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what=E2=80=99s behind the e= motion, the > meaning, all that comes later. >=20 > =E2=80=93Stanley Kubrick >=20 >=20 >=20 ------=_Part_1107030_1442383746.1357872519944 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20 =20 =20
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Agree completely. = That=E2=80=99s one of the major issues with my space film for IMAX built of= f photographs. In creating shots with the sun, the photographs of the sun i= n high resolution don=E2=80=99t have any flaring due to the lenses and came= ras use but we expect to see them. Since the whole film is CGI-less (from t= he standpoint of creating any image data beyond what is present in the phot= ographs), the shots currently look odd without lens flares.

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But added a C= GI flare from one the many fine plugs available not only violates the princ= iples of the film, but reveals how much not like the real thing they in fac= t are. I also recently watched =E2=80=9CAlien=E2=80=9D on bluray and marvel= ed how much better and natural the real flares are vs. JJ Abrams flareporn.=

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But for my project= , I would love to get an ISS astronaut to mount a camera to tripod and shoo= t a multishot HDR composite of sun flares for my film as the plugs fail whe= n combined with real footage, in my view.

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