Return-Path: Received: from eatspam.slcc.edu ([144.35.15.69] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4951229 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 20:02:25 +0100 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1358276856-0439c35bc42a290001-edO5QZ Received: from vCAS1.slcc.int (vcas1.slcc.int [10.1.11.52]) by eatspam.slcc.edu with ESMTP id 5wozycZkoFoQrNXk for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 12:07:36 -0700 (MST) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: John.Morgan@slcc.edu Received: from EXCH.slcc.int ([127.0.0.1]) by vCAS1.slcc.int ([fe80::5023:faf7:26da:d5bf%11]) with mapi; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 12:07:36 -0700 From: John Morgan To: After Effects Mail List Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 12:07:35 -0700 Subject: Re: [AE] Animate object to path/Object flexes and bends as it follows path Thread-Topic: [AE] Animate object to path/Object flexes and bends as it follows path X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [AE] Animate object to path/Object flexes and bends as it follows path Thread-Index: Ac3zUJ371GPcy0RrR4yA/6MkJDRXVQAAvZfY Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_im1jewy78y384w9wiopdsx1r1358276856480emailandroidcom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Barracuda-Connect: vcas1.slcc.int[10.1.11.52] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1358276856 X-Barracuda-URL: http://eatspam.slcc.edu:8000/cgi-mod/mark.cgi X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at slcc.edu X-Barracuda-BRTS-Status: 1 X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: 0.00 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=0.00 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.2, rules version 3.2.2.119948 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.00 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message --_000_im1jewy78y384w9wiopdsx1r1358276856480emailandroidcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Teddy that response was priceless! Fwded to boss...who is somewhat savy but= sorta thinks that stuff looks easy. J Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Teddy Gage wrote: Definitely a good piece, but obviously not easy to emulate. It's like l= earning how to cook by eating an 11 course meal. Difficult, unless you have= the recipes. I have a hard time believing it was "only" $10k and two weeks= for that piece.They must have paid their team of animators and editors nex= t to nothing. And I say team because there's no way one or two people pulle= d that off in two weeks. I've seen 30 second pieces with less involved grap= hics and no video footage for double that budget produced in twice the time. - the text could easily be AE, with a solid and some precomp mask / matte l= ayers, the circle / gear stuff moves like it's controlled with some nice ex= pressions, the motion and flow is nice overall. lots of easing (ease and wh= izz script maybe? or hand-drawn animation curves more likely). The hand-dra= wn stuff looks - hand drawn with a tablet in illustrator, paths animated an= d moved on and off with shape layers controls. Much of it looks like it's a= combination of shape layers from AI and AE - the "3D" stuff may be faked using AE planes and well drawn vectors. You'd= be surprised what you can do with some tricks. The train may be completely= 2D but moving in 3d space with some hand drawn warps, like you thought - I see some possible use of plexus plugin and / or trapcode particular, fo= r the triangle breakdown, small explosions and orbiting planetoids - definitely use of some stock vectors I recognize, like houses and buildin= gs etc. good to save time good luck. On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 1:15 PM, John Morgan > wrote: Brian, Scott and Jim, Thank You. I=92m in an in-house college marketing shop, wearing many hats as videograp= her and all things related including motion graphics. Am not an Ae power us= er=85.yet. Still, I have 9 years of Ae use under my belt. A short stint wit= h Combustion before that. And a brief amount of Softimage 3D before that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DfqoJEtM4jX0 My boss had seen the above clip from Simon Faser University and had read a = report about it in some college-related national magazine. She wants me to = push my envelope and incorporate more motion graphics such as those used in= the clip. The story in the magazine was a write-up about how SFU had =93pu= lled off this incredible thing in just two weeks.=94 Ha! I thought. She han= ded me the article and I read between the lines and interpreted the languag= e of the article. A marketing director and the college pres had written the= script, but =93a Toronto-based graphics facilitator=94 had helped. Likely = a boutique post house, unnamed in the article. Cost $10,000.00. Right. I in= formed my boss that the project hadn=92t been done in house at all!....othe= r than script. $10k for 4-mins of finished video is obviously heavy with AE= and 3D animator time, not to mention the creative concepting and story boa= rding time. Possible ad agency involvement, but not mentioned in the articl= e. Motion graphics interspersed throughout the project. That very first scene where the SFU logo follows a spline is what I was try= ing to achieve in Ae. Much of the other red-white animation looked like it = could be done inside Ae, except for some of the objects that are 3D (maybe = models imported to Ae.) Towards the end, there=92s a train that=92s obvious= ly not 2D. I pulled the video off youtube and have been going through the animations a= frame at a time to see their progression=85..as learning experience. The t= ext animations seem like they came from somewhere else, or 3rd party plugin= . Or, they=92re complex multi-comp projects with stroke animated. Not sure = how the cross-hatching was applied. Complex. Not that I=92m trying to dupli= cate, but I=92d like to learn some of the steps so as to have the ability. Any thoughts about how some of these motion effects were created, or whethe= r within Ae or plugin would be appreciated. John From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Brian Maffitt Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 10:42 AM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] Animate object to path/Object flexes and bends as it foll= ows path If you use Freeform Pro applied to a large precomp, you should be able to D= istort the layer/comp in any way you like, for example, following an s-shap= ed path. Then if you animate your layer inside the precomp, it will follow = the distortions contained in the parent comp. Does this make sense? Brian 16 years ago I messed a bit with Softimage 3D. Animating objects to path an= d having their orientation follow the path was pretty easy. Applying a latt= ice so the object could bend and flex as it follows the path was not too di= fficult either. Now in Ae I=92m trying to relearn that technique. I have a solid layer (a r= ectangle box) following a path with =91auto-orient=92 turned on, so the pat= h animation is done. What is the trick to making the layer flex as it roun= ds the corners? The path is an s-curve shape where the S elongates on Z axi= s. Can Mesh Warp be applied in a way that it will interact with the curves= in a path? Trying to expand my knowledge. Any links to tutorials are appreciated. John This message, and any attachments, is intended only for the use of the addr= essee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential or ot= herwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this = e-mail is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any unau= thorized use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this message i= s prohibited. 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Teddy that response was priceless! Fwded to boss...who is somewhat sav= y but sorta thinks that stuff looks easy.
J

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE = DROID


Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com> wrote:

    Definitely a good piece, but obviously not easy to = emulate. It's like learning how to cook by eating an 11 course meal. Diffic= ult, unless you have the recipes. I have a hard time believing it was "= ;only" $10k and two weeks for that piece.They must have paid their team of animators and editors next to nothing. And I say team b= ecause there's no way one or two people pulled that off in two weeks. I've = seen 30 second pieces with less involved graphics and no video footage for = double that budget produced in twice the time.

- the text could easily be AE, with a solid and some precomp mask / matte l= ayers, the circle / gear stuff moves like it's controlled with some nice ex= pressions, the motion and flow is nice overall. lots of easing (ease and wh= izz script maybe? or hand-drawn animation curves more likely). The hand-drawn stuff looks - hand drawn wit= h a tablet in illustrator, paths animated and moved on and off with shape l= ayers controls. Much of it looks like it's a combination of shape layers fr= om AI and AE

- the "3D" stuff may be faked using AE planes and well drawn vect= ors. You'd be surprised what you can do with some tricks. The train may be = completely 2D but moving in 3d space with some hand drawn warps, like you t= hought

- I see some possible use of plexus plugin and / or trapcode particular, fo= r the triangle breakdown, small explosions and orbiting planetoids

- definitely use of some stock vectors I recognize, like houses and buildin= gs etc. good to save time

good luck.


On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 1:15 PM, John Morgan <John.Morgan@s= lcc.edu> wrote:

Brian, Scott and Jim, Tha= nk You.

I=92m in an in-house coll= ege marketing shop, wearing many hats as videographer and all things relate= d including motion graphics. Am not an Ae power user=85.yet. Still, I have 9 years of Ae use under my belt. A short stint with Combusti= on before that. And a brief amount of Softimage 3D before that.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DfqoJEtM4jX0

 

My boss had seen the abov= e clip from Simon Faser University and had read a report about it in some c= ollege-related national magazine. She wants me to push my envelope and incorporate more motion graphics such as those used in the cl= ip. The story in the magazine was a write-up about how SFU had =93pulled of= f this incredible thing in just two weeks.=94 Ha! I thought. She handed me = the article and I read between the lines and interpreted the language of the article. A marketing director and the = college pres had written the script, but =93a Toronto-based graphics facili= tator=94 had helped. Likely a boutique post house, unnamed in the article. = Cost $10,000.00. Right. I informed my boss that the project hadn=92t been done in house at all!....other than sc= ript. $10k for 4-mins of finished video is obviously heavy with AE and 3D a= nimator time, not to mention the creative concepting and story boarding tim= e. Possible ad agency involvement, but not mentioned in the article.

 

Motion graphics intersper= sed throughout the project.

 

That very first scene whe= re the SFU logo follows a spline is what I was trying to achieve in Ae. Muc= h of the other red-white animation looked like it could be done inside Ae, except for some of the objects that are 3D (maybe model= s imported to Ae.) Towards the end, there=92s a train that=92s obviously no= t 2D.

 

I pulled the video off yo= utube and have been going through the animations a frame at a time to see t= heir progression=85..as learning experience. The text animations seem like they came from somewhere else, or 3rd party plugin. O= r, they=92re complex multi-comp projects with stroke animated. Not sure how= the cross-hatching was applied. Complex. Not that I=92m trying to duplicat= e, but I=92d like to learn some of the steps so as to have the ability.

 

Any thoughts about how so= me of these motion effects were created, or whether within Ae or plugin wou= ld be appreciated.

 

John=

 

From: After Ef= fects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Brian Maffitt
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 10:42 AM
To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] Animate object to path/Object flexes and bends as = it follows path

 

If you use Freeform Pro applied to a large precomp, = you should be able to Distort the layer/comp in any way you like, for examp= le, following an s-shaped path. Then if you animate your layer inside the p= recomp, it will follow the distortions contained in the parent comp. Does this make sense?

 

Brian

 

 

16 years ago I messed a b= it with Softimage 3D. Animating objects to path and having their orientatio= n follow the path was pretty easy. Applying a lattice so the object could bend and flex as it follows the path was not too difficul= t either.

 

Now in Ae I=92m trying to= relearn that technique. I have a solid layer (a rectangle box) following a= path with =91auto-orient=92 turned on, so the path animation is done.  What is the trick to making the layer flex as it rounds the= corners? The path is an s-curve shape where the S elongates on Z axis.&nbs= p; Can Mesh Warp be applied in a way that it will interact with the curves = in a path?

 

Trying to expand my knowl= edge. Any links to tutorials are appreciated.

 

John=


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