Return-Path: Received: from eatspam.slcc.edu ([144.35.15.69] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4951302 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 21:11:08 +0100 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1358280980-0439c35bc42b170001-edO5QZ Received: from vCAS1.slcc.int (vcas1.slcc.int [10.1.11.52]) by eatspam.slcc.edu with ESMTP id TWmbrIhfok7k5QCn for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:16:20 -0700 (MST) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: John.Morgan@slcc.edu Received: from EXCH.slcc.int ([127.0.0.1]) by vCAS1.slcc.int ([fe80::5023:faf7:26da:d5bf%11]) with mapi; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:16:21 -0700 From: John Morgan To: After Effects Mail List Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:16:19 -0700 Subject: RE: [AE] Animate object to path/Object flexes and bends as it follows path Thread-Topic: [AE] Animate object to path/Object flexes and bends as it follows path X-ASG-Orig-Subj: RE: [AE] Animate object to path/Object flexes and bends as it follows path Thread-Index: Ac3zW2naf35hIXX6RTadmuJkgl+S5gAAamHw Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_EAE675A223415848A14AA69EBCDE9D0A6ACA1BE39CEXCHslccint_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Barracuda-Connect: vcas1.slcc.int[10.1.11.52] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1358280980 X-Barracuda-URL: http://eatspam.slcc.edu:8000/cgi-mod/mark.cgi X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at slcc.edu X-Barracuda-BRTS-Status: 1 X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: 0.00 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=0.00 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.2, rules version 3.2.2.119952 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.00 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message --_000_EAE675A223415848A14AA69EBCDE9D0A6ACA1BE39CEXCHslccint_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wouldn't Trapcode 3D stroke allow a taper on the back end? Thanks for the t= ip. John From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of= Byron Nash Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 1:03 PM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] Animate object to path/Object flexes and bends as it foll= ows path You may need more than this, but here is a quick tip. For arrows you can us= ually combine an arrowhead attached to a null with a stroke of some kind ho= oked to the same null. This only works with uniform width shapes that you c= an separate the tip into a different layer. When combined they appear as on= e element. On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 2:07 PM, John Morgan > wrote: Teddy that response was priceless! Fwded to boss...who is somewhat savy but= sorta thinks that stuff looks easy. J Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Teddy Gage > wrote: Definitely a good piece, but obviously not easy to emulate. It's like l= earning how to cook by eating an 11 course meal. Difficult, unless you have= the recipes. I have a hard time believing it was "only" $10k and two weeks= for that piece.They must have paid their team of animators and editors nex= t to nothing. And I say team because there's no way one or two people pulle= d that off in two weeks. I've seen 30 second pieces with less involved grap= hics and no video footage for double that budget produced in twice the time. - the text could easily be AE, with a solid and some precomp mask / matte l= ayers, the circle / gear stuff moves like it's controlled with some nice ex= pressions, the motion and flow is nice overall. lots of easing (ease and wh= izz script maybe? or hand-drawn animation curves more likely). The hand-dra= wn stuff looks - hand drawn with a tablet in illustrator, paths animated an= d moved on and off with shape layers controls. Much of it looks like it's a= combination of shape layers from AI and AE - the "3D" stuff may be faked using AE planes and well drawn vectors. You'd= be surprised what you can do with some tricks. The train may be completely= 2D but moving in 3d space with some hand drawn warps, like you thought - I see some possible use of plexus plugin and / or trapcode particular, fo= r the triangle breakdown, small explosions and orbiting planetoids - definitely use of some stock vectors I recognize, like houses and buildin= gs etc. good to save time good luck. On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 1:15 PM, John Morgan > wrote: Brian, Scott and Jim, Thank You. I'm in an in-house college marketing shop, wearing many hats as videographe= r and all things related including motion graphics. Am not an Ae power user= ....yet. Still, I have 9 years of Ae use under my belt. A short stint with = Combustion before that. And a brief amount of Softimage 3D before that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DfqoJEtM4jX0 My boss had seen the above clip from Simon Faser University and had read a = report about it in some college-related national magazine. She wants me to = push my envelope and incorporate more motion graphics such as those used in= the clip. The story in the magazine was a write-up about how SFU had "pull= ed off this incredible thing in just two weeks." Ha! I thought. She handed = me the article and I read between the lines and interpreted the language of= the article. A marketing director and the college pres had written the scr= ipt, but "a Toronto-based graphics facilitator" had helped. Likely a boutiq= ue post house, unnamed in the article. Cost $10,000.00. Right. I informed m= y boss that the project hadn't been done in house at all!....other than scr= ipt. $10k for 4-mins of finished video is obviously heavy with AE and 3D an= imator time, not to mention the creative concepting and story boarding time= . Possible ad agency involvement, but not mentioned in the article. Motion graphics interspersed throughout the project. That very first scene where the SFU logo follows a spline is what I was try= ing to achieve in Ae. Much of the other red-white animation looked like it = could be done inside Ae, except for some of the objects that are 3D (maybe = models imported to Ae.) Towards the end, there's a train that's obviously n= ot 2D. I pulled the video off youtube and have been going through the animations a= frame at a time to see their progression.....as learning experience. The t= ext animations seem like they came from somewhere else, or 3rd party plugin= . Or, they're complex multi-comp projects with stroke animated. Not sure ho= w the cross-hatching was applied. Complex. Not that I'm trying to duplicate= , but I'd like to learn some of the steps so as to have the ability. Any thoughts about how some of these motion effects were created, or whethe= r within Ae or plugin would be appreciated. John From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Brian Maffitt Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 10:42 AM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] Animate object to path/Object flexes and bends as it foll= ows path If you use Freeform Pro applied to a large precomp, you should be able to D= istort the layer/comp in any way you like, for example, following an s-shap= ed path. Then if you animate your layer inside the precomp, it will follow = the distortions contained in the parent comp. Does this make sense? Brian 16 years ago I messed a bit with Softimage 3D. Animating objects to path an= d having their orientation follow the path was pretty easy. Applying a latt= ice so the object could bend and flex as it follows the path was not too di= fficult either. Now in Ae I'm trying to relearn that technique. I have a solid layer (a rec= tangle box) following a path with 'auto-orient' turned on, so the path anim= ation is done. What is the trick to making the layer flex as it rounds the= corners? The path is an s-curve shape where the S elongates on Z axis. Ca= n Mesh Warp be applied in a way that it will interact with the curves in a = path? Trying to expand my knowledge. Any links to tutorials are appreciated. John This message, and any attachments, is intended only for the use of the addr= essee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential or ot= herwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this = e-mail is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any unau= thorized use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this message i= s prohibited. 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Wouldn= 217;t Trapcode 3D stroke allow a taper on the back end? Thanks for the tip.=

John

 

Fr= om: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behal= f Of Byron Nash
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 1:03 PM
To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] Animate object= to path/Object flexes and bends as it follows path

 

You may n= eed more than this, but here is a quick tip. For arrows you can usually com= bine an arrowhead attached to a null with a stroke of some kind hooked to t= he same null. This only works with uniform width shapes that you can separa= te the tip into a different layer. When combined they appear as one element= . 

 

On Tue, Jan 15, 20= 13 at 2:07 PM, John Morgan <John.Morgan@slcc.edu> wrote:

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Teddy that response was priceless! Fwded to boss..= .who is somewhat savy but sorta thinks that stuff looks easy.

J

 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID



Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com> wrote:

    Definitel= y a good piece, but obviously not easy to emulate. It's like learning how t= o cook by eating an 11 course meal. Difficult, unless you have the recipes.= I have a hard time believing it was "only" $10k and two weeks fo= r that piece.They must have paid their team of animators and editors next t= o nothing. And I say team because there's no way one or two people pulled t= hat off in two weeks. I've seen 30 second pieces with less involved graphic= s and no video footage for double that budget produced in twice the time. <= br>
- the text could easily be AE, with a solid and some precomp mask / = matte layers, the circle / gear stuff moves like it's controlled with some = nice expressions, the motion and flow is nice overall. lots of easing (ease= and whizz script maybe? or hand-drawn animation curves more likely). The h= and-drawn stuff looks - hand drawn with a tablet in illustrator, paths anim= ated and moved on and off with shape layers controls. Much of it looks like= it's a combination of shape layers from AI and AE

- the "3D&qu= ot; stuff may be faked using AE planes and well drawn vectors. You'd be sur= prised what you can do with some tricks. The train may be completely 2D but= moving in 3d space with some hand drawn warps, like you thought

- I= see some possible use of plexus plugin and / or trapcode particular, for t= he triangle breakdown, small explosions and orbiting planetoids

- de= finitely use of some stock vectors I recognize, like houses and buildings e= tc. good to save time

good luck.

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 1:15 PM, John Morgan <John.Morgan@slcc.edu> = wrote:

Brian, Scott and Jim, Thank Yo= u.

I’m in an in-house college mark= eting shop, wearing many hats as videographer and all things related includ= ing motion graphics. Am not an Ae power user….yet. Still, I have 9 ye= ars of Ae use under my belt. A short stint with Combustion before that. And= a brief amount of Softimage 3D before that.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DfqoJE= tM4jX0

 

<= span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F= 497D'>My boss had seen the above clip from Simon Faser University and had r= ead a report about it in some college-related national magazine. She wants = me to push my envelope and incorporate more motion graphics such as those u= sed in the clip. The story in the magazine was a write-up about how SFU had= “pulled off this incredible thing in just two weeks.” Ha! I th= ought. She handed me the article and I read between the lines and interpret= ed the language of the article. A marketing director and the college pres h= ad written the script, but “a Toronto-based graphics facilitator̶= 1; had helped. Likely a boutique post house, unnamed in the article. Cost $= 10,000.00. Right. I informed my boss that the project hadn’t been don= e in house at all!....other than script. $10k for 4-mins of finished video = is obviously heavy with AE and 3D animator time, not to mention the creativ= e concepting and story boarding time. Possible ad agency involvement, but n= ot mentioned in the article.

 

Motion graphics interspersed throughout the = project.

 

That very first scene where the SFU logo follows a spline is wha= t I was trying to achieve in Ae. Much of the other red-white animation look= ed like it could be done inside Ae, except for some of the objects that are= 3D (maybe models imported to Ae.) Towards the end, there’s a train t= hat’s obviously not 2D.

 

I pulled the video off youtube and have bee= n going through the animations a frame at a time to see their progression&#= 8230;..as learning experience. The text animations seem like they came from= somewhere else, or 3rd party plugin. Or, they’re complex = multi-comp projects with stroke animated. Not sure how the cross-hatching w= as applied. Complex. Not that I’m trying to duplicate, but I’d = like to learn some of the steps so as to have the ability.

 

Any thoughts= about how some of these motion effects were created, or whether within Ae = or plugin would be appreciated.

 

John

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From: After Effects Mail List= [mailto:AE-Li= st@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Brian Maffitt
Sent: T= uesday, January 15, 2013 10:42 AM
To: After Effects Mail List
= Subject: Re: [AE] Animate object to path/Object flexes and bends as = it follows path

 

If you use Freeform Pro applied to a large precomp, you = should be able to Distort the layer/comp in any way you like, for example, = following an s-shaped path. Then if you animate your layer inside the preco= mp, it will follow the distortions contained in the parent comp. Does this = make sense?

 

Brian

 

&= nbsp;

16 years ago I mes= sed a bit with Softimage 3D. Animating objects to path and having their ori= entation follow the path was pretty easy. Applying a lattice so the object = could bend and flex as it follows the path was not too difficult either.

 

Now in Ae I’m trying to relearn that technique.= I have a solid layer (a rectangle box) following a path with ‘auto-o= rient’ turned on, so the path animation is done.  What is the tr= ick to making the layer flex as it rounds the corners? The path is an s-cur= ve shape where the S elongates on Z axis.  Can Mesh Warp be applied in= a way that it will interact with the curves in a path?

 

<= span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F= 497D'>Trying to expand my knowledge. Any links to tutorials are appreciated= .

 

John


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