Return-Path: Received: from mail-oa0-f52.google.com ([209.85.219.52] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4951414 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 22:54:51 +0100 Received: by mail-oa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id o6so727563oag.11 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 14:00:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=pL8d6eYpr7K7YyUYvBsaZ3ds6WsdLIMuUKSyVJM5fVY=; b=nseWBk4yLLGEWZTRSHNaM92MhJ2xyHrvvII+XvkrEI8OaNfkdKFr8MSx1G5i9eKIYY QG8Mhq5DtgIW/lfSvjZlA33w40SPN/1bOhyypElDr8En5x7DcZjHgnyL5ZfxJUOj/Zkl 2P76HYP0dohNbL288ap1K9w9DuULIKJYg8IHF27Eoa4S0zL10iMWx3VFhDnB8l0w2pbh PYvILGh4MdsX4IwQn3H+InBwqK3Kq8X+i+yffHobaE2xmfCSW1K4hP+sHOx7Jf7effB4 Zt1AjdRv6wx7bl9nO0B44UN26WI+c1BOAadZ3FyalGCa9+NDf4GxnsZOt2V+kUxcpMf4 aXew== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.54.103 with SMTP id i7mr65181881obp.62.1358287204317; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 14:00:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.76.94.174 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 14:00:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 17:00:04 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Animate object to path/Object flexes and bends as it follows path From: rendernyc To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93a113d50fafd04d35ae248 --14dae93a113d50fafd04d35ae248 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable strange... link didnt go through http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6704122/roughEdges.jpg On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 4:59 PM, rendernyc wrote: > ae type with roughen edges on some paper > > > On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 4:51 PM, rendernyc wrote: > >> you can get some really nice results with roughen edges... one of my fav= s >> as well for getting realistice text on paper >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 4:33 PM, John Morgan wrote= : >> >>> Ah. Great tip (sort of pun intended). Something I=92ve never yet done, = but >>> understand the steps=85.having set objects as track mattes and having u= sed >>> write on effect. Thanks Byron.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> John**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> *From:* After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] *On >>> Behalf Of *Byron Nash >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2013 2:26 PM >>> >>> *To:* After Effects Mail List >>> *Subject:* Re: [AE] Animate object to path/Object flexes and bends as >>> it follows path**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> There is no chalk type brush for Write-On. I would use a chalk texture >>> as a Track Matte and some Roughen Edges(love me some roughen edges). **= * >>> * >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 4:06 PM, John Morgan >>> wrote:**** >>> >>> I do have Stroke and Particular. Would take a bit of work to further >>> learn to use them in this way. At this point, just knowing how things c= ame >>> together is the goal. Once a project gets put in motion, I can usually = slug >>> through it and figure out how to set up the effect. Probably takes me 3 >>> times longer than you pros. J**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Since you mention the =91write on=92 effect, if a person wanted to crea= te >>> the effect of writing handwritten chalk text on a chalkboard, would you >>> create the entire drawing using some sort of chalk-like brush style in >>> photoshop, then bring that layer into Ae and animate mask points to rev= eal >>> the chalk layer? Or is there an actual chalk-like brush available withi= n >>> the write-on effect itself?**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> John**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> *From:* After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] *On >>> Behalf Of *Byron Nash >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2013 1:58 PM**** >>> >>> >>> *To:* After Effects Mail List >>> *Subject:* Re: [AE] Animate object to path/Object flexes and bends as >>> it follows path**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Yes, you are correct on the 3D stroke taper. Although, 3D Stroke needs >>> masks to work and sometimes that can be trick getting it to line up wit= h >>> the arrow. I normally use the Write on effect since I can link it to a >>> null. Also, for a thin tapering line, you could use a dense stream of >>> particles from Particular. **** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 3:16 PM, John Morgan >>> wrote:**** >>> >>> Wouldn=92t Trapcode 3D stroke allow a taper on the back end? Thanks for >>> the tip.**** >>> >>> John**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> *From:* After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] *On >>> Behalf Of *Byron Nash >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2013 1:03 PM**** >>> >>> >>> *To:* After Effects Mail List >>> *Subject:* Re: [AE] Animate object to path/Object flexes and bends as >>> it follows path**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> You may need more than this, but here is a quick tip. For arrows you ca= n >>> usually combine an arrowhead attached to a null with a stroke of some k= ind >>> hooked to the same null. This only works with uniform width shapes that= you >>> can separate the tip into a different layer. When combined they appear = as >>> one element. **** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 2:07 PM, John Morgan >>> wrote:**** >>> >>> Teddy that response was priceless! Fwded to boss...who is somewhat savy >>> but sorta thinks that stuff looks easy.**** >>> >>> J**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID***** >>> >>> >>> >>> Teddy Gage wrote:**** >>> >>> Definitely a good piece, but obviously not easy to emulate. It's >>> like learning how to cook by eating an 11 course meal. Difficult, unles= s >>> you have the recipes. I have a hard time believing it was "only" $10k a= nd >>> two weeks for that piece.They must have paid their team of animators an= d >>> editors next to nothing. And I say team because there's no way one or t= wo >>> people pulled that off in two weeks. I've seen 30 second pieces with le= ss >>> involved graphics and no video footage for double that budget produced = in >>> twice the time. >>> >>> - the text could easily be AE, with a solid and some precomp mask / >>> matte layers, the circle / gear stuff moves like it's controlled with s= ome >>> nice expressions, the motion and flow is nice overall. lots of easing (= ease >>> and whizz script maybe? or hand-drawn animation curves more likely). Th= e >>> hand-drawn stuff looks - hand drawn with a tablet in illustrator, paths >>> animated and moved on and off with shape layers controls. Much of it lo= oks >>> like it's a combination of shape layers from AI and AE >>> >>> - the "3D" stuff may be faked using AE planes and well drawn vectors. >>> You'd be surprised what you can do with some tricks. The train may be >>> completely 2D but moving in 3d space with some hand drawn warps, like y= ou >>> thought >>> >>> - I see some possible use of plexus plugin and / or trapcode particular= , >>> for the triangle breakdown, small explosions and orbiting planetoids >>> >>> - definitely use of some stock vectors I recognize, like houses and >>> buildings etc. good to save time >>> >>> good luck. **** >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 1:15 PM, John Morgan >>> wrote:**** >>> >>> Brian, Scott and Jim, Thank You.**** >>> >>> I=92m in an in-house college marketing shop, wearing many hats as >>> videographer and all things related including motion graphics. Am not a= n Ae >>> power user=85.yet. Still, I have 9 years of Ae use under my belt. A sho= rt >>> stint with Combustion before that. And a brief amount of Softimage 3D >>> before that.**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DfqoJEtM4jX0**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> My boss had seen the above clip from Simon Faser University and had rea= d >>> a report about it in some college-related national magazine. She wants = me >>> to push my envelope and incorporate more motion graphics such as those = used >>> in the clip. The story in the magazine was a write-up about how SFU had >>> =93pulled off this incredible thing in just two weeks.=94 Ha! I thought= . She >>> handed me the article and I read between the lines and interpreted the >>> language of the article. A marketing director and the college pres had >>> written the script, but =93a Toronto-based graphics facilitator=94 had = helped. >>> Likely a boutique post house, unnamed in the article. Cost $10,000.00. >>> Right. I informed my boss that the project hadn=92t been done in house = at >>> all!....other than script. $10k for 4-mins of finished video is obvious= ly >>> heavy with AE and 3D animator time, not to mention the creative concept= ing >>> and story boarding time. Possible ad agency involvement, but not mentio= ned >>> in the article.**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Motion graphics interspersed throughout the project.**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> That very first scene where the SFU logo follows a spline is what I was >>> trying to achieve in Ae. Much of the other red-white animation looked l= ike >>> it could be done inside Ae, except for some of the objects that are 3D >>> (maybe models imported to Ae.) Towards the end, there=92s a train that= =92s >>> obviously not 2D.**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> I pulled the video off youtube and have been going through the >>> animations a frame at a time to see their progression=85..as learning >>> experience. The text animations seem like they came from somewhere else= , or >>> 3rd party plugin. Or, they=92re complex multi-comp projects with stroke >>> animated. Not sure how the cross-hatching was applied. Complex. Not tha= t >>> I=92m trying to duplicate, but I=92d like to learn some of the steps so= as to >>> have the ability.**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Any thoughts about how some of these motion effects were created, or >>> whether within Ae or plugin would be appreciated.**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> John**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> *From:* After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] *On >>> Behalf Of *Brian Maffitt >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2013 10:42 AM >>> *To:* After Effects Mail List >>> *Subject:* Re: [AE] Animate object to path/Object flexes and bends as >>> it follows path**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> If you use Freeform Pro applied to a large precomp, you should be able >>> to Distort the layer/comp in any way you like, for example, following a= n >>> s-shaped path. Then if you animate your layer inside the precomp, it wi= ll >>> follow the distortions contained in the parent comp. Does this make sen= se? >>> **** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Brian**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> 16 years ago I messed a bit with Softimage 3D. Animating objects to pat= h >>> and having their orientation follow the path was pretty easy. Applying = a >>> lattice so the object could bend and flex as it follows the path was no= t >>> too difficult either.**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Now in Ae I=92m trying to relearn that technique. I have a solid layer = (a >>> rectangle box) following a path with =91auto-orient=92 turned on, so th= e path >>> animation is done. What is the trick to making the layer flex as it ro= unds >>> the corners? The path is an s-curve shape where the S elongates on Z ax= is. >>> Can Mesh Warp be applied in a way that it will interact with the curves= in >>> a path?**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Trying to expand my knowledge. 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strange... link didnt go through

http://dl.dropbox.com/= u/6704122/roughEdges.jpg


On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 4:59 PM, rendernyc <rendernyc@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:
ae type with roughen edges on some paper


= On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 4:51 PM, rendernyc <rendernyc@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:
you can get some really nice results with= roughen edges... one of my favs as well for getting realistice text on pap= er


On = Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 4:33 PM, John Morgan <John.Morgan@slcc.edu>= wrote:
Ah. Great tip (sort of pun intended). Something I=92ve never yet do= ne, but understand the steps=85.having set objects as track mattes and havi= ng used write on effect. Thanks Byron.

=A0

Joh= n

=A0

From: After Effects Mail = List [mailto:A= E-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Byron Nash
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 2:26 PM


To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] Animate object to pat= h/Object flexes and bends as it follows path

=A0

There is no ch= alk type brush for Write-On. I would use a chalk texture as a Track Matte a= nd some Roughen Edges(love me some roughen edges).=A0

=A0<= u>

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 4:06 PM, John Morgan &= lt;John.Morgan@sl= cc.edu> wrote:

I do have Stroke and Particular. Would take= a bit of work to further learn to use them in this way. At this point, jus= t knowing how things came together is the goal. Once a project gets put in = motion, I can usually slug through it and figure out how to set up the effe= ct. Probably takes me 3 times longer than you pros. J

=A0

Sin= ce you mention the =91write on=92 effect, if a person wanted to create the = effect of writing handwritten chalk text on a chalkboard, would you create = the entire drawing using some sort of chalk-like brush style in photoshop, = then bring that layer into Ae and animate mask points to reveal the chalk l= ayer? Or is there an actual chalk-like brush available within the write-on = effect itself?

=A0

=A0=

John

= =A0

From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of By= ron Nash
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 1:58 PM


To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] Animate object to path/Object flexes and bends as it follows pa= th

=A0

Yes, you are correct on the 3D stroke taper. Although, 3D Stroke needs mas= ks to work and sometimes that can be trick getting it to line up with the a= rrow. I normally use the Write on effect since I can link it to a null. Als= o, for a thin tapering line, you could use a dense stream of particles from= Particular.=A0

=A0

<= p class=3D"">On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 3:16 PM, John Morgan <John.Morgan@slcc.edu> w= rote:

Wouldn=92t Trapcode 3D stroke allow a taper= on the back end? Thanks for the tip.

John

= =A0

From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of By= ron Nash
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 1:03 PM


To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] Animate object to path/Object flexes and bends as it follows pa= th

=A0

You may need more than this, but here is a quick tip. For arrows you can u= sually combine an arrowhead attached to a null with a stroke of some kind h= ooked to the same null. This only works with uniform width shapes that you = can separate the tip into a different layer. When combined they appear as o= ne element.=A0

=A0

=

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 2:07 PM, John Morgan <John.Morgan@slcc.edu= > wrote:

Teddy that response was priceless! Fwded to bo= ss...who is somewhat savy but sorta thinks that stuff looks easy.=

J

=A0

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID



Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com> wrote:

=A0=A0=A0 Definitely a good piece, but obviou= sly not easy to emulate. It's like learning how to cook by eating an 11= course meal. Difficult, unless you have the recipes. I have a hard time be= lieving it was "only" $10k and two weeks for that piece.They must= have paid their team of animators and editors next to nothing. And I say t= eam because there's no way one or two people pulled that off in two wee= ks. I've seen 30 second pieces with less involved graphics and no video= footage for double that budget produced in twice the time.

- the text could easily be AE, with a solid and some precomp mask / mat= te layers, the circle / gear stuff moves like it's controlled with some= nice expressions, the motion and flow is nice overall. lots of easing (eas= e and whizz script maybe? or hand-drawn animation curves more likely). The = hand-drawn stuff looks - hand drawn with a tablet in illustrator, paths ani= mated and moved on and off with shape layers controls. Much of it looks lik= e it's a combination of shape layers from AI and AE

- the "3D" stuff may be faked using AE planes and well drawn = vectors. You'd be surprised what you can do with some tricks. The train= may be completely 2D but moving in 3d space with some hand drawn warps, li= ke you thought

- I see some possible use of plexus plugin and / or trapcode particular= , for the triangle breakdown, small explosions and orbiting planetoids
<= br>- definitely use of some stock vectors I recognize, like houses and buil= dings etc. good to save time

good luck.

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at= 1:15 PM, John Morgan <John.Morgan@slcc.edu> wrote:

Brian, Scott and Jim, Thank You.=

I=92m in an in-house college marketing shop, wear= ing many hats as videographer and all things related including motion graph= ics. Am not an Ae power user=85.yet. Still, I have 9 years of Ae use under = my belt. A short stint with Combustion before that. And a brief amount of S= oftimage 3D before that.

=A0

http://www.youtube.com= /watch?v=3DfqoJEtM4jX0

=A0

My = boss had seen the above clip from Simon Faser University and had read a rep= ort about it in some college-related national magazine. She wants me to pus= h my envelope and incorporate more motion graphics such as those used in th= e clip. The story in the magazine was a write-up about how SFU had =93pulle= d off this incredible thing in just two weeks.=94 Ha! I thought. She handed= me the article and I read between the lines and interpreted the language o= f the article. A marketing director and the college pres had written the sc= ript, but =93a Toronto-based graphics facilitator=94 had helped. Likely a b= outique post house, unnamed in the article. Cost $10,000.00. Right. I infor= med my boss that the project hadn=92t been done in house at all!....other t= han script. $10k for 4-mins of finished video is obviously heavy with AE an= d 3D animator time, not to mention the creative concepting and story boardi= ng time. Possible ad agency involvement, but not mentioned in the article.<= /span>

=A0

Mot= ion graphics interspersed throughout the project.

=A0

Tha= t very first scene where the SFU logo follows a spline is what I was trying= to achieve in Ae. Much of the other red-white animation looked like it cou= ld be done inside Ae, except for some of the objects that are 3D (maybe mod= els imported to Ae.) Towards the end, there=92s a train that=92s obviously = not 2D.

=A0

I p= ulled the video off youtube and have been going through the animations a fr= ame at a time to see their progression=85..as learning experience. The text= animations seem like they came from somewhere else, or 3rd part= y plugin. Or, they=92re complex multi-comp projects with stroke animated. N= ot sure how the cross-hatching was applied. Complex. Not that I=92m trying = to duplicate, but I=92d like to learn some of the steps so as to have the a= bility.

=A0

Any= thoughts about how some of these motion effects were created, or whether w= ithin Ae or plugin would be appreciated.

=A0

Joh= n

=A0

From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Br= ian Maffitt
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 10:42 AM
To: After Effects= Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] Animate object to path/Object flexes= and bends as it follows path

=A0

If you use Freeform P= ro applied to a large precomp, you should be able to Distort the layer/comp= in any way you like, for example, following an s-shaped path. Then if you = animate your layer inside the precomp, it will follow the distortions conta= ined in the parent comp. Does this make sense?

=A0

Brian

=A0

=A0

16 years ago I messed a bit with Softimage 3D. Animating obje= cts to path and having their orientation follow the path was pretty easy. A= pplying a lattice so the object could bend and flex as it follows the path = was not too difficult either.

=A0

Now in Ae I=92m trying to relearn that technique. I have= a solid layer (a rectangle box) following a path with =91auto-orient=92 tu= rned on, so the path animation is done.=A0 What is the trick to making the = layer flex as it rounds the corners? The path is an s-curve shape where the= S elongates on Z axis.=A0 Can Mesh Warp be applied in a way that it will i= nteract with the curves in a path?

=A0

Trying to expand my knowledge. Any links to tutorials ar= e appreciated.

=A0

John


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