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From: D To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0444eec7a65c5e04d4626112 --f46d0444eec7a65c5e04d4626112 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Teddy, I hear you on all those suggestions. I've mentioned quite clearly to them that this is a crazy deadline and they know we can only do so much in the time but my rent won't pay itself unfortunately :) The master effect link looks really useful and yes, I believe our project will be very similar to your one. Refining a rough layout in iterations is definitely the only route. Gonna get some sleep now whilst I can. On Tuesday, January 29, 2013, Teddy Gage wrote: > if you are interested, or have any questions, the video is here. I imagine > similar to what you doing? > > https://vimeo.com/50217329 > > It's not super flashy, but all the page transition lengths and backpage > color, movement etc was controlled by a handful of master effects allowing > infinite changes to the whole project on a whim. And believe me they used > it... > > > On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Teddy Gage > > wrote: > >> first of all, good luck, you're crazy. I did a piece like this with about >> 100 slide / transitions (with maybe 3 or 4 images per "slide" and it took >> over two weeks, with picky clients, and I was working over 80 hours a week. >> And I think the piece was closer to 3:30 >> >> - keep it as simple as possible. Animation presets are your friend. Or >> create your own two or three stock transitions and use them over and over >> again. drag and drop the presets >> >> - don't use a camera unless you have to - it will just complicate things. >> keep it 2D as much as possible. even with two people it sounds like you're >> going to be up for long stretches at a time. Your brain is going to hate >> you for putting in that 3d camera sweep at the beginning of the project at >> 4 am on due day. if you must use cameras make them single-node. double node >> cameras are a pain when keyframe interpolation screws up your bezier >> animation curves. >> >> - organize and label everything. predict mistakes ahead of time. it >> sounds crazy but a small problem will ripple across hundreds of comps you >> won't have time to change when rendering. keep the project as clean and >> tight as possible. time spent up front will save you later on >> >> - preview everything low res to speed up your workflow. seconds wasted >> rendering ram previews are precious. lay everything out roughly and refine >> it in iterations. most important to get overall timing down first >> >> - also, expressions are your friend. I used this great plugin >> http://aescripts.com/ft-effect-instance/ - which allows a node-like >> control of all effects in a project. This means there is one "master copy" >> of an effect that will then ripple changes throughout the project, say if >> the clients want a page turn a different color and it's on hundreds of >> layers. >> >> - I also used some customized expressions to control multiple transitions >> with sliders and linked to master nulls >> >> good luck >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 6:37 PM, D >> > wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I have a job starting tomorrow. 4 minutes of animation to be done in 3 >>> days. There are 2 of us on it. There's no style guide, it hasn't been >>> designed yet and apparently, it's mostly images (many of which are yet to >>> be sourced) with a little text here and there. >>> >>> So that's a 4 minute piece designed, images sourced and animated in >>> 3 days that needs to look engaging somehow! Sounds crazy right?! >>> >>> Obviously we need some kind of device that will allow us to move between >>> lots of stills in a dynamic way and my first thought was to use Sure >>> Target. I just wondered if anyone has done something similar and used a >>> different device that I've missed or if anyone knows of any examples that >>> might help inspire us? >>> >>> Any help much appreciated. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Animator & Editor >> www.teddygage.com >> Brooklyn >> > > > > -- > Animator & Editor > www.teddygage.com > Brooklyn > --f46d0444eec7a65c5e04d4626112 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Teddy,

I hear you on all those suggestions. I'= ;ve mentioned quite clearly to them that this=A0is a crazy deadline and the= y know we can only do so much=A0in the time but my rent won= 9;t pay itself unfortunately :)

The master effect link looks really useful=A0and yes, I= believe our project will be very similar to your one. Refining a rough lay= out in=A0=A0iterations is definitely the only route.=A0

Gonna get some sleep now whilst I can.=A0

On Tuesday, January 29, 20= 13, Teddy Gage wrote:
if you are interes= ted, or have any questions, the video is here. I imagine similar to what yo= u doing?


It's not super fla= shy, but all the page transition lengths and backpage color, movement etc w= as controlled by a handful of master effects allowing infinite changes to t= he whole project on a whim. And believe me they used it...


On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Te= ddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com= > wrote:
first of all, good luck, you're crazy. I did a piece like this with abo= ut 100 slide / transitions (with maybe 3 or 4 images per "slide" = and it took over two weeks, with picky clients, and I was working over 80 h= ours a week. And I think the piece was closer to 3:30

- keep it as simple as possible. Animation presets are your = friend. Or create your own two or three stock transitions and use them over= and over again. drag and drop the presets

- don&#= 39;t use a camera unless you have to - it will just complicate things. keep= it 2D as much as possible. even with two people it sounds like you're = going to be up for long stretches at a time. Your brain is going to hate yo= u for putting in that 3d camera sweep at the beginning of the project at 4 = am on due day. if you must use cameras make them single-node. double node c= ameras are a pain when keyframe interpolation screws up your bezier animati= on curves.=A0

- organize and label everything. predict mistakes ahead= of time. it sounds crazy but a small problem will ripple across hundreds o= f comps you won't have time to change when rendering. keep the project = as clean and tight as possible. time spent up front will save you later on<= /div>

- preview everything low res to speed up your workflow.= seconds wasted rendering ram previews are precious. lay everything out rou= ghly and refine it in iterations. most important to get overall timing down= first

- also, expressions are your friend. I used this great = plugin=A0http://aescripts.com/ft-effect-instance/ - which allows a node-lik= e control of all effects in a project. This means there is one "master= copy" of an effect that will then ripple changes throughout the proje= ct, say if the clients want a page turn a different color and it's on h= undreds of layers.

- I also used some customized expressions to control mu= ltiple transitions with sliders and linked to master nulls

good luck


On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 6:37 PM, D <dow.hanson@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

I=A0have a job starti= ng tomorrow. 4 minutes of animation to be done in 3 days. There are 2 of us= on it. There's no style guide, it hasn't been designed yet and app= arently, it's mostly images (many of which are yet to be sourced)=A0wit= h a little text here and there.=A0

So that's a 4 minute piece=A0designed, i= mages sourced and animated in 3=A0days that needs to look engaging somehow<= span>!=A0Sounds crazy right?!=A0

Obviously = we need some kind of device that will allow us to move between lots of stil= ls in a dynamic way and my first thought was to use Sure Target. I just won= dered if anyone has done something similar and used a different device that= I've missed or if=A0anyone knows of any examples that might help inspi= re us?=A0

Any help much appreciated.=A0



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Brooklyn



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