Return-Path: Received: from platinum.tritoncore.com ([69.16.213.66] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4961866 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 02:25:32 +0100 Received: from 50-0-136-16.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net ([50.0.136.16]:46403 helo=[10.0.1.33]) by platinum.tritoncore.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1U002W-0000LT-SV for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 20:31:09 -0500 From: patrick Siemer Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-1011261192 Subject: Re: [AE] Style/device suggestions... Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:31:06 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" References: Message-Id: <5248DF96-EC09-4D49-8F1F-554F240BFE28@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - platinum.tritoncore.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - media-motion.tv X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - gmail.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: --Apple-Mail-1-1011261192 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Check out Pulpmotion, a set of plug-ins made just for that purpose. Just = point to folder of images and presto, instant slideshows with a = multitude of options. free trial so it won't cost a penny. http://www.aquafadas.com/ good luck patrick siemer tapeandglue.com On Jan 28, 2013, at 5:08 PM, James Culbertson wrote: > Wanna hear something really crazy. We started a project in FCP that we = thought was going to be primarily edited video but ended up being a = simple version of this with lost of stills animated in similar ways = (much less garnish). The intermediate client could not say no to the = main client and we ended up doing a longer piece in about a week (2 on = the project). I thought about throwing it over to After Effects but my = collaborator was an editor who only knew FCP. >=20 > At least they were paying hourly... >=20 > James >=20 >=20 > On Jan 28, 2013, at 4:01 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: >=20 >> if you are interested, or have any questions, the video is here. I = imagine similar to what you doing? >>=20 >> https://vimeo.com/50217329 >>=20 >> It's not super flashy, but all the page transition lengths and = backpage color, movement etc was controlled by a handful of master = effects allowing infinite changes to the whole project on a whim. And = believe me they used it... >>=20 >>=20 >> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Teddy Gage = wrote: >> first of all, good luck, you're crazy. I did a piece like this with = about 100 slide / transitions (with maybe 3 or 4 images per "slide" and = it took over two weeks, with picky clients, and I was working over 80 = hours a week. And I think the piece was closer to 3:30 >>=20 >> - keep it as simple as possible. Animation presets are your friend. = Or create your own two or three stock transitions and use them over and = over again. drag and drop the presets >>=20 >> - don't use a camera unless you have to - it will just complicate = things. keep it 2D as much as possible. even with two people it sounds = like you're going to be up for long stretches at a time. Your brain is = going to hate you for putting in that 3d camera sweep at the beginning = of the project at 4 am on due day. if you must use cameras make them = single-node. double node cameras are a pain when keyframe interpolation = screws up your bezier animation curves.=20 >>=20 >> - organize and label everything. predict mistakes ahead of time. it = sounds crazy but a small problem will ripple across hundreds of comps = you won't have time to change when rendering. keep the project as clean = and tight as possible. time spent up front will save you later on >>=20 >> - preview everything low res to speed up your workflow. seconds = wasted rendering ram previews are precious. lay everything out roughly = and refine it in iterations. most important to get overall timing down = first >>=20 >> - also, expressions are your friend. I used this great plugin = http://aescripts.com/ft-effect-instance/ - which allows a node-like = control of all effects in a project. This means there is one "master = copy" of an effect that will then ripple changes throughout the project, = say if the clients want a page turn a different color and it's on = hundreds of layers. >>=20 >> - I also used some customized expressions to control multiple = transitions with sliders and linked to master nulls >>=20 >> good luck >>=20 >>=20 >> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 6:37 PM, D wrote: >> Hi, >>=20 >> I have a job starting tomorrow. 4 minutes of animation to be done in = 3 days. There are 2 of us on it. There's no style guide, it hasn't been = designed yet and apparently, it's mostly images (many of which are yet = to be sourced) with a little text here and there.=20 >>=20 >> So that's a 4 minute piece designed, images sourced and animated in 3 = days that needs to look engaging somehow! Sounds crazy right?!=20 >>=20 >> Obviously we need some kind of device that will allow us to move = between lots of stills in a dynamic way and my first thought was to use = Sure Target. I just wondered if anyone has done something similar and = used a different device that I've missed or if anyone knows of any = examples that might help inspire us?=20 >>=20 >> Any help much appreciated.=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Animator & Editor >> www.teddygage.com >> Brooklyn >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Animator & Editor >> www.teddygage.com >> Brooklyn >=20 --Apple-Mail-1-1011261192 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Check = out Pulpmotion, a set of plug-ins made just for that purpose. Just point = to folder of images and presto, instant slideshows with a multitude of = options.
free trial so it won't cost a penny.

good luck

patrick = siemer

On Jan 28, 2013, at 5:08 PM, James Culbertson = wrote:

Wanna hear = something really crazy. We started a project in FCP that we thought was = going to be primarily edited video but ended up being a simple version = of this with lost of stills animated in similar ways (much less = garnish). The intermediate client could not say no to the main client = and we ended up doing a longer piece in about a week (2 on the project). = I thought about throwing it over to After Effects but my collaborator = was an editor who only knew FCP.

At least they = were paying = hourly...

James


On Jan 28, 2013, at 4:01 PM, Teddy Gage wrote:

if you are = interested, or have any questions, the video is here. I imagine similar = to what you doing?


It's not super flashy, but all the page transition = lengths and backpage color, movement etc was controlled by a handful of = master effects allowing infinite changes to the whole project on a whim. = And believe me they used it...


On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 6:55 PM, = Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com> = wrote:
first of all, good luck, you're crazy. I did a piece like this with = about 100 slide / transitions (with maybe 3 or 4 images per "slide" and = it took over two weeks, with picky clients, and I was working over 80 = hours a week. And I think the piece was closer to 3:30

- keep it as simple as possible. Animation presets are = your friend. Or create your own two or three stock transitions and use = them over and over again. drag and drop the = presets

- don't use a camera unless you have to = - it will just complicate things. keep it 2D as much as possible. even = with two people it sounds like you're going to be up for long stretches = at a time. Your brain is going to hate you for putting in that 3d camera = sweep at the beginning of the project at 4 am on due day. if you must = use cameras make them single-node. double node cameras are a pain when = keyframe interpolation screws up your bezier animation = curves. 

- organize and label everything. predict mistakes = ahead of time. it sounds crazy but a small problem will ripple across = hundreds of comps you won't have time to change when rendering. keep the = project as clean and tight as possible. time spent up front will save = you later on

- preview everything low res to speed up your = workflow. seconds wasted rendering ram previews are precious. lay = everything out roughly and refine it in iterations. most important to = get overall timing down first

- also, expressions are your friend. I used this = great plugin http://aescripts.com/ft-effect-instance/ - which = allows a node-like control of all effects in a project. This means there = is one "master copy" of an effect that will then ripple changes = throughout the project, say if the clients want a page turn a different = color and it's on hundreds of layers.

- I also used some customized expressions to control = multiple transitions with sliders and linked to master = nulls

good luck


On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 6:37 PM, D <dow.hanson@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

I have a job = starting tomorrow. 4 minutes of animation to be done in 3 days. There = are 2 of us on it. There's no style guide, it hasn't been designed yet = and apparently, it's mostly images (many of which are yet to be = sourced) with a little text here and there. 

So that's a 4 minute piece designed, = images sourced and animated in 3 days that needs to look engaging = somehow! Sounds crazy = right?! 

Obviously we need some kind of = device that will allow us to move between lots of stills in a dynamic = way and my first thought was to use Sure Target. I just wondered if = anyone has done something similar and used a different device that I've = missed or if anyone knows of any examples that might help inspire = us? 

Any help much appreciated. 



--
Animator = & Editor
www.teddygage.com
Brooklyn



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Animator & Editor
www.teddygage.com
Brooklyn


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