Return-Path: Received: from host23.canaca.com ([66.49.161.151] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4967175 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 19:13:35 +0100 Received: from 207-195-100-23.regn.static.sasknet.sk.ca ([207.195.100.23]:58132 helo=[192.168.1.28]) by host23.canaca.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1U2QdY-0008Vm-11 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 13:19:24 -0500 From: Jack Tunnicliffe Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A5D756D0-7B18-4A19-9409-CE799263F7A5" Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Subject: Re: [AE] New MacBook Pro Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 12:19:23 -0600 References: To: "After Effects Mail List" In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host23.canaca.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - media-motion.tv X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - javapost.ca X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: host23.canaca.com: authenticated_id: jack+javapost.ca/only user confirmed/virtual account not confirmed X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: --Apple-Mail=_A5D756D0-7B18-4A19-9409-CE799263F7A5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I couldn't agree more with Carey. That's all we purchase at our = facility. I think they're actually better than new because they've gone = back in for some minor fault they get the double-check. Everything we = have here is a refurb, my desktop and my laptop are both refurbs and I = don't know how you'd ever know except I saved 15 of 20 % when I = purchased them. Jack Tunnicliffe Java Post Production 402, 2206 Dewdney ave. Regina, SK Canada S4R 1H3 P. 306-777-0150 cell. 306-536-4321 www.javapost.ca ______________ On Feb 4, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Carey Dissmore = wrote: > Hmm. I was going to recommend the Apple site refurbs area. The = machines are pristine and have same warranty and you can save a few = hundred bucks to put towards external storage, etc. >=20 > carey >=20 > On Feb 4, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Michele L Yamazaki = wrote: >=20 >> Thanks so much Carey and Teddy.=20 >>=20 >> My old laptop is already promised to our new employee and he's very = excited about getting it so upgrading my old machine for me isn't an = option any more. I sure hope the apple store has what I want in stock. I = don't want to have to wait for shipping :-) >>=20 >> Thank you again for your help, guys.=20 >>=20 >> Michele >>=20 >> On Feb 4, 2013, at 12:32 PM, Carey Dissmore wrote: >>=20 >>> I recently went with the entry level 2.3 ghz Ivy bridge Quad-core i7 = 15" Retina to bump my aging 2010 13" core 2 duo 2.4 MBP which was pretty = much useless for production (even though I had an SSD boot drive plus a = 1TB internal HD--having yanked out the DVD drive). >>>=20 >>> While I'm still a "big iron" guy doing most production on a = workstation machine that has *real* power, I have to say I'm fairly = impressed with the punch this MBP packs for AE and PPro with mobility in = mind. Definitely getting a good CUDA boost on this one (compared to = prior laptops). Downsides for me are merely 8GB RAM and no way to get = more without replacing the machine (I use 64GB on the desktop) and 256GB = internal SSD with no reasonable/affordable way to add more inside. If = this were intended to be my primary machine I would need more RAM and = internal storage which really bumps the $$$ at today's pricing. >>>=20 >>> Retina: It's very nice but don't think it's quite a make-or-break = feature in terms of getting work done. Having said that I will reiterate = it is very nice. I actually have seen the tearing/refresh issue when = scrolling web pages a few times but no issues (yet--it's early = days--haven't done too much in them yet) that I've observed in PPro or = AE.=20 >>>=20 >>> I've decided to run with it as is and have the FW800 adapter for = some large spinning disk drives but also set up an SSD in an external = USB 3.0 enclosure to get me more data portability with high speed. = Overall nice package. FWIW. >>>=20 >>> Carey >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Feb 4, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Teddy Gage wrote: >>>=20 >>>> The 2.9 ghz 13" MBP will be only marginally faster (like 10-20%) = than your current machine (which is the exact model I currently have and = work on) - not only that but the graphics performance will actually be = worse considering it only has integrated graphics card. Certain plugins = will actually run slower on it. You would be much better off getting a = 15" core i7 quad MBP, with 16 GB RAM. It is more than 2x faster than = your current laptop according to most benchmarks, and like brian said, = is the only version with an Nvidia CUDA card for speeding up AE = raytracing and plugins.=20 >>>>=20 >>>> As for retina, I am holding off for one more generation, as a lot = of reviews say the retina pushes so many pixels there can be a = significant "chugginess" when performing certain tasks, because of the = screen drawing demands. Especially, oddly enough, when browsing the web. >>>>=20 >>>> Here is my recommendation - Either get the best laptop you can = afford so it's not obsolete in two years, or save yourself a few = thousand and put an SSD and 4GB more RAM in your current laptop, for = less than $500, and it will seem like a new computer. I did this a year = ago and it's really like having a new laptop. Consider yourself lucky = the mid 2010's are so easily upgraded (unlike all new model MBPs). And = even if you are not comfortable doing it yourself there should be a = place that can do it for you. Look on www.macsales.com they have all = kinds of upgrade kits with video instructions and the proper tools. It's = really not difficult at all.=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Michele L Yamazaki = wrote: >>>> Hi Everyone >>>>=20 >>>> I am going to buy a new MacBook Pro today. I need something that = can run CS6 speedily and CS7 when its out. I usually keep a laptop 2-3 = years. I will mainly be using this to demo plug-ins at user groups and = events and when I'm on the road. I have a 2010 model, 15" core i7 w/ 4GB = RAM and it just chugs with AE CS6, and with all the plug-ins that I need = to keep installed, it's just not cutting it. >>>>=20 >>>> So, today I'm going to buy a new one. I'm considering getting a 13" = 2.9 GHz dual core i7 with 8GB memory. I wonder if stepping down from a = 15" to a 13" will be a big deal? I used to run a 17"! I didn't notice = the screen size difference much but the weight difference was huge.=20 >>>>=20 >>>> I'm wondering if any of you are running AE CS6 on one of these or = can recommend a what I should get with it? Does it run pretty smoothly, = not chugging along? Any issues with plugging it into projection systems? = Retina display or no? The retina displays are only 2.5Ghz core i5 on the = 13". A friend of mine says not to get the retina display but I don't = remember why he said not to. >>>>=20 >>>> Thanks in advance for your help. I am not really a hardware person = and I just don't know what to choose! >>>>=20 >>>> Thanks, >>>> Michele Yamazaki >>>> Toolfarm Inc.: http://www.toolfarm.com >>>>=20 >>>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/toolfarm >>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/toolfarm >>>> Vimeo: http://www.vimeo.com/toolfarm >>>> Plug-In to After Effects: http://www.pluginz.com >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> --=20 >>>> Animator & Editor >>>> www.teddygage.com >>>> Brooklyn >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_A5D756D0-7B18-4A19-9409-CE799263F7A5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I = couldn't agree more with Carey. That's all we purchase at our facility. = I think they're actually better than new because they've gone back in = for some minor fault they get the double-check. Everything we have here = is a refurb, my desktop and my laptop are both refurbs and I don't know = how you'd ever know except I saved 15 of 20 % when I purchased = them.

Jack = Tunnicliffe

402, 2206 = Dewdney ave.

Regina, SK

Canada

S4R 1H3

P. 306-777-0150

cell. = 306-536-4321

www.javapost.ca


On Feb 4, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Carey Dissmore <carey@imugonline.com> = wrote:

Hmm. = I was going to recommend the Apple site refurbs area. The machines are = pristine and have same warranty and you can save a few hundred bucks to = put towards external storage, = etc.

carey

On Feb 4, 2013, at = 12:09 PM, Michele L Yamazaki <michele@toolfarm.com> = wrote:

Thanks so much Carey and = Teddy. 

My old laptop is already promised to our = new employee and he's very excited about getting it so upgrading my old = machine for me isn't an option any more. I sure hope the apple store has = what I want in stock. I don't want to have to wait for shipping = :-)

Thank you again for your help, = guys. 

Michele

On = Feb 4, 2013, at 12:32 PM, Carey Dissmore wrote:

I = recently went with the entry level 2.3 ghz Ivy bridge Quad-core i7 15" = Retina to bump my aging 2010 13" core 2 duo 2.4 MBP which was pretty = much useless for production (even though I had an SSD boot drive plus a = 1TB internal HD--having yanked out the DVD = drive).

While I'm still a "big iron" guy doing most = production on a workstation machine that has *real* power, I have to say = I'm fairly impressed with the punch this MBP packs for AE and PPro with = mobility in mind. Definitely getting a good CUDA boost on this one = (compared to prior laptops). Downsides for me are merely 8GB RAM =  and no way to get more without replacing the machine (I use 64GB = on the desktop) and 256GB internal SSD with no reasonable/affordable way = to add more inside. If this were intended to be my primary machine I = would need more RAM and internal storage which really bumps the $$$ at = today's pricing.

Retina: It's very nice but = don't think it's quite a make-or-break feature in terms of getting work = done. Having said that I will reiterate it is very nice. I actually have = seen the tearing/refresh issue when scrolling web pages a few times but = no issues (yet--it's early days--haven't done too much in them yet) that = I've observed in PPro or AE. 

I've decided = to run with it as is and have the FW800 adapter for some large spinning = disk drives but also set up an SSD in an external USB 3.0 enclosure to = get me more data portability with high speed. Overall nice package. = FWIW.

Carey


On Feb 4, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com> = wrote:

The 2.9 ghz 13" MBP will be only marginally faster (like = 10-20%) than your current machine (which is the exact model I currently = have and work on) - not only that but the graphics performance will = actually be worse considering it only has integrated graphics card. = Certain plugins will actually run slower on it. You would be much better = off getting a 15" core i7 quad MBP, with 16 GB RAM. It is more than 2x = faster than your current laptop according to most benchmarks, and like = brian said, is the only version with an Nvidia CUDA card for speeding up = AE raytracing and plugins.

As for retina, I am holding off for one more generation, as a lot of = reviews say the retina pushes so many pixels there can be a significant = "chugginess" when performing certain tasks, because of the screen = drawing demands. Especially, oddly enough, when browsing the web.

Here is my recommendation - Either get the best laptop you can = afford so it's not obsolete in two years, or save yourself a few = thousand and put an SSD and 4GB more RAM in your current laptop, for = less than $500, and it will seem like a new computer. I did this a year = ago and it's really like having a new laptop. Consider yourself lucky = the mid 2010's are so easily upgraded (unlike all new model MBPs). And = even if you are not comfortable doing it yourself there should be a = place that can do it for you. Look on www.macsales.com they have all = kinds of upgrade kits with video instructions and the proper tools. It's = really not difficult at all.

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Michele = L Yamazaki <michele@toolfarm.com> = wrote:
Hi Everyone

I am = going to buy a new MacBook Pro today.  I need something that can = run CS6 speedily and CS7 when its out. I usually keep a laptop 2-3 = years. I will mainly be using this to demo plug-ins at user groups and = events and when I'm on the road. I have a 2010 model, 15" core i7 w/ 4GB = RAM and it just chugs with AE CS6, and with all the plug-ins that I need = to keep installed, it's just not cutting it.

So, today I'm going to buy a new one. I'm = considering getting a 13" 2.9 GHz dual core i7 with 8GB memory. I wonder = if stepping down from a 15" to a 13" will be a big deal? I used to run a = 17"! I didn't notice the screen size difference much but the weight = difference was huge. 

I'm wondering if any of you are running AE CS6 on = one of these or can recommend a what I should get with it? Does it run = pretty smoothly, not chugging along? Any issues with plugging it into = projection systems? Retina display or no? The retina displays are only = 2.5Ghz core i5 on the 13". A friend of mine says not to get the retina = display but I don't remember why he said not to.

Thanks in advance for your help. I am not really a = hardware person and I just don't know what to = choose!

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