Return-Path: Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4967183 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 19:20:22 +0100 Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20130204182614.TOOX4711.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 18:26:14 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.8] (really [82.2.184.89]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with ESMTP id <20130204182609.YMVP4627.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.0.8]> for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 18:26:09 +0000 From: Angie-Taylor Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_FD7B85CC-09F8-42A9-B3A6-0122AA82DC98" Subject: Re: [AE] New MacBook Pro Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 18:26:07 +0000 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" References: Message-Id: <5DCA3872-7BEF-4EE3-980C-F5A8025CFE81@ntlworld.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=GaEGOwq9FwezmTggA+b6yC6zDZF2HYaK6RN/tSqdnVA= c=1 sm=0 a=uObrxnre4hsA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=3qZHA8CdAAAA:8 a=y0RKCth9AAAA:8 a=JqEG_dyiAAAA:8 a=3j4BkbkPAAAA:8 a=ZgFmqT6sAAAA:8 a=SzvAL7GLAAAA:8 a=bWdBkzTTAAAA:8 a=cF3dlP86SIUYE4VYQx8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=ZxH1IdBrUpMA:10 a=xdlofKaSa5HWn0E6JqcA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=oAS1tcSI9x-wwYge:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 --Apple-Mail=_FD7B85CC-09F8-42A9-B3A6-0122AA82DC98 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi all, I'm going through similar dilemmas. My main work machine has become my = MBP (500GB SSD + 8GB) which has a non-CUDa card. (Early 2011 model). = It's sluggishness is driving me potty! I'm in the process of deciding between keeping my MBP for on the road = and investing in a Windows desktop machine for production work (mainly = 3D and compositing/ Animation) Not much video editing. Or . . . Buy a new MBP, sell the old one Or . . . Buy a Windows laptop, sell the old one I'm a freelancer so don't have a company to pay for this so I have to be = careful with budget. Can only really afford to update one machine. Any = recommendations? Cheers, Angie On 4 Feb 2013, at 18:09, Michele L Yamazaki wrote: > Thanks so much Carey and Teddy.=20 >=20 > My old laptop is already promised to our new employee and he's very = excited about getting it so upgrading my old machine for me isn't an = option any more. I sure hope the apple store has what I want in stock. I = don't want to have to wait for shipping :-) >=20 > Thank you again for your help, guys.=20 >=20 > Michele >=20 > On Feb 4, 2013, at 12:32 PM, Carey Dissmore wrote: >=20 >> I recently went with the entry level 2.3 ghz Ivy bridge Quad-core i7 = 15" Retina to bump my aging 2010 13" core 2 duo 2.4 MBP which was pretty = much useless for production (even though I had an SSD boot drive plus a = 1TB internal HD--having yanked out the DVD drive). >>=20 >> While I'm still a "big iron" guy doing most production on a = workstation machine that has *real* power, I have to say I'm fairly = impressed with the punch this MBP packs for AE and PPro with mobility in = mind. Definitely getting a good CUDA boost on this one (compared to = prior laptops). Downsides for me are merely 8GB RAM and no way to get = more without replacing the machine (I use 64GB on the desktop) and 256GB = internal SSD with no reasonable/affordable way to add more inside. If = this were intended to be my primary machine I would need more RAM and = internal storage which really bumps the $$$ at today's pricing. >>=20 >> Retina: It's very nice but don't think it's quite a make-or-break = feature in terms of getting work done. Having said that I will reiterate = it is very nice. I actually have seen the tearing/refresh issue when = scrolling web pages a few times but no issues (yet--it's early = days--haven't done too much in them yet) that I've observed in PPro or = AE.=20 >>=20 >> I've decided to run with it as is and have the FW800 adapter for some = large spinning disk drives but also set up an SSD in an external USB 3.0 = enclosure to get me more data portability with high speed. Overall nice = package. FWIW. >>=20 >> Carey >>=20 >>=20 >> On Feb 4, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Teddy Gage wrote: >>=20 >>> The 2.9 ghz 13" MBP will be only marginally faster (like 10-20%) = than your current machine (which is the exact model I currently have and = work on) - not only that but the graphics performance will actually be = worse considering it only has integrated graphics card. Certain plugins = will actually run slower on it. You would be much better off getting a = 15" core i7 quad MBP, with 16 GB RAM. It is more than 2x faster than = your current laptop according to most benchmarks, and like brian said, = is the only version with an Nvidia CUDA card for speeding up AE = raytracing and plugins.=20 >>>=20 >>> As for retina, I am holding off for one more generation, as a lot of = reviews say the retina pushes so many pixels there can be a significant = "chugginess" when performing certain tasks, because of the screen = drawing demands. Especially, oddly enough, when browsing the web. >>>=20 >>> Here is my recommendation - Either get the best laptop you can = afford so it's not obsolete in two years, or save yourself a few = thousand and put an SSD and 4GB more RAM in your current laptop, for = less than $500, and it will seem like a new computer. I did this a year = ago and it's really like having a new laptop. Consider yourself lucky = the mid 2010's are so easily upgraded (unlike all new model MBPs). And = even if you are not comfortable doing it yourself there should be a = place that can do it for you. Look on www.macsales.com they have all = kinds of upgrade kits with video instructions and the proper tools. It's = really not difficult at all.=20 >>>=20 >>> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Michele L Yamazaki = wrote: >>> Hi Everyone >>>=20 >>> I am going to buy a new MacBook Pro today. I need something that = can run CS6 speedily and CS7 when its out. I usually keep a laptop 2-3 = years. I will mainly be using this to demo plug-ins at user groups and = events and when I'm on the road. I have a 2010 model, 15" core i7 w/ 4GB = RAM and it just chugs with AE CS6, and with all the plug-ins that I need = to keep installed, it's just not cutting it. >>>=20 >>> So, today I'm going to buy a new one. I'm considering getting a 13" = 2.9 GHz dual core i7 with 8GB memory. I wonder if stepping down from a = 15" to a 13" will be a big deal? I used to run a 17"! I didn't notice = the screen size difference much but the weight difference was huge.=20 >>>=20 >>> I'm wondering if any of you are running AE CS6 on one of these or = can recommend a what I should get with it? Does it run pretty smoothly, = not chugging along? Any issues with plugging it into projection systems? = Retina display or no? The retina displays are only 2.5Ghz core i5 on the = 13". A friend of mine says not to get the retina display but I don't = remember why he said not to. >>>=20 >>> Thanks in advance for your help. I am not really a hardware person = and I just don't know what to choose! >>>=20 >>> Thanks, >>> Michele Yamazaki >>> Toolfarm Inc.: http://www.toolfarm.com >>>=20 >>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/toolfarm >>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/toolfarm >>> Vimeo: http://www.vimeo.com/toolfarm >>> Plug-In to After Effects: http://www.pluginz.com >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> Animator & Editor >>> www.teddygage.com >>> Brooklyn >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_FD7B85CC-09F8-42A9-B3A6-0122AA82DC98 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Hi = all,

I'm going through similar dilemmas. My main work = machine has become my MBP (500GB SSD + 8GB) which has a non-CUDa card. = (Early 2011 model). It's sluggishness is driving me = potty!

I'm in the process of deciding between = keeping my MBP for on the road and investing in a Windows desktop = machine for production work (mainly 3D and compositing/ Animation) Not = much video editing.

Or . . . Buy a new MBP, = sell the old one

Or . . . Buy a Windows laptop, = sell the old one

I'm a freelancer so don't have = a company to pay for this so I have to be careful with budget. Can only = really afford to update one machine. Any = recommendations?

Cheers,

Angie


On 4 Feb 2013, at 18:09, = Michele L Yamazaki wrote:

Thanks so much Carey and = Teddy. 

My old laptop is already promised to our = new employee and he's very excited about getting it so upgrading my old = machine for me isn't an option any more. I sure hope the apple store has = what I want in stock. I don't want to have to wait for shipping = :-)

Thank you again for your help, = guys. 

Michele

On = Feb 4, 2013, at 12:32 PM, Carey Dissmore wrote:

I = recently went with the entry level 2.3 ghz Ivy bridge Quad-core i7 15" = Retina to bump my aging 2010 13" core 2 duo 2.4 MBP which was pretty = much useless for production (even though I had an SSD boot drive plus a = 1TB internal HD--having yanked out the DVD = drive).

While I'm still a "big iron" guy doing most = production on a workstation machine that has *real* power, I have to say = I'm fairly impressed with the punch this MBP packs for AE and PPro with = mobility in mind. Definitely getting a good CUDA boost on this one = (compared to prior laptops). Downsides for me are merely 8GB RAM =  and no way to get more without replacing the machine (I use 64GB = on the desktop) and 256GB internal SSD with no reasonable/affordable way = to add more inside. If this were intended to be my primary machine I = would need more RAM and internal storage which really bumps the $$$ at = today's pricing.

Retina: It's very nice but = don't think it's quite a make-or-break feature in terms of getting work = done. Having said that I will reiterate it is very nice. I actually have = seen the tearing/refresh issue when scrolling web pages a few times but = no issues (yet--it's early days--haven't done too much in them yet) that = I've observed in PPro or AE. 

I've decided = to run with it as is and have the FW800 adapter for some large spinning = disk drives but also set up an SSD in an external USB 3.0 enclosure to = get me more data portability with high speed. Overall nice package. = FWIW.

Carey


On Feb 4, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com> = wrote:

The 2.9 ghz 13" MBP will be only marginally faster (like = 10-20%) than your current machine (which is the exact model I currently = have and work on) - not only that but the graphics performance will = actually be worse considering it only has integrated graphics card. = Certain plugins will actually run slower on it. You would be much better = off getting a 15" core i7 quad MBP, with 16 GB RAM. It is more than 2x = faster than your current laptop according to most benchmarks, and like = brian said, is the only version with an Nvidia CUDA card for speeding up = AE raytracing and plugins.

As for retina, I am holding off for one more generation, as a lot of = reviews say the retina pushes so many pixels there can be a significant = "chugginess" when performing certain tasks, because of the screen = drawing demands. Especially, oddly enough, when browsing the web.

Here is my recommendation - Either get the best laptop you can = afford so it's not obsolete in two years, or save yourself a few = thousand and put an SSD and 4GB more RAM in your current laptop, for = less than $500, and it will seem like a new computer. I did this a year = ago and it's really like having a new laptop. Consider yourself lucky = the mid 2010's are so easily upgraded (unlike all new model MBPs). And = even if you are not comfortable doing it yourself there should be a = place that can do it for you. Look on www.macsales.com they have all = kinds of upgrade kits with video instructions and the proper tools. It's = really not difficult at all.

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Michele = L Yamazaki <michele@toolfarm.com> = wrote:
Hi Everyone

I am = going to buy a new MacBook Pro today.  I need something that can = run CS6 speedily and CS7 when its out. I usually keep a laptop 2-3 = years. I will mainly be using this to demo plug-ins at user groups and = events and when I'm on the road. I have a 2010 model, 15" core i7 w/ 4GB = RAM and it just chugs with AE CS6, and with all the plug-ins that I need = to keep installed, it's just not cutting it.

So, today I'm going to buy a new one. I'm = considering getting a 13" 2.9 GHz dual core i7 with 8GB memory. I wonder = if stepping down from a 15" to a 13" will be a big deal? I used to run a = 17"! I didn't notice the screen size difference much but the weight = difference was huge. 

I'm wondering if any of you are running AE CS6 on = one of these or can recommend a what I should get with it? Does it run = pretty smoothly, not chugging along? Any issues with plugging it into = projection systems? Retina display or no? The retina displays are only = 2.5Ghz core i5 on the 13". A friend of mine says not to get the retina = display but I don't remember why he said not to.

Thanks in advance for your help. I am not really a = hardware person and I just don't know what to = choose!

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