Return-Path: Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4967380 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 22:30:55 +0100 Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20130204213647.SBWA1579.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 21:36:47 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.8] (really [82.2.184.89]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with ESMTP id <20130204213637.CACP12753.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.0.8]> for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 21:36:37 +0000 From: Angie-Taylor Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_98CBC853-5BEB-422E-8677-5801922AF547" Subject: Re: [AE] New MacBook Pro Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 21:36:35 +0000 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" References: Message-Id: <11F3EDD6-3AD0-47AA-AFCA-7988673CF328@ntlworld.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=AUhbpHVS+xhHrj9wLCYAQoYnFLYUZdbP8UM0GmH2jwk= c=1 sm=0 a=uObrxnre4hsA:10 a=QqAitzEJAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=3qZHA8CdAAAA:8 a=y0RKCth9AAAA:8 a=JqEG_dyiAAAA:8 a=3j4BkbkPAAAA:8 a=ZgFmqT6sAAAA:8 a=SzvAL7GLAAAA:8 a=bWdBkzTTAAAA:8 a=RZGhxm2oB8Ah4Vvr4P0A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=ZxH1IdBrUpMA:10 a=BVT91YFXsob7Yoqa:21 a=3GDRbXUj9vuiS9tY:21 a=hoFnDiYqvSdshQxjSc0A:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=yZPdiXyferDCfFZ_:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 --Apple-Mail=_98CBC853-5BEB-422E-8677-5801922AF547 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi again, Carey made this wonderful post in his blog that I found useful when = mulling over my decisions. I'm still trying to decide which machine to = plump for. I'm not quite as tech-savvy as Carey so I'll probably go for = an out of the box option like Michelle. Unless of course anyone knows of a good shop in the Uk that will help me = build a machine? :-) Thanks again to all; http://www.careydissmore.com/?p=3D228 Angie On 4 Feb 2013, at 18:52, Carey Dissmore wrote: > I guess I already tipped my hand on this but just to reiterate: > 1. There are no laptops at any price that can match the performance of = what is available on the desktop > 2. Furthermore, your performance per dollar invested on the desktop is = way off-the-charts higher. > 3. There is such a thing as "good enough" performance in a laptop for = many users out there, where they may as well go with portability as = well....but... > 4. Sadly, the After Effects and 3D video artist is probably in one of = the highest performance-demand categories of all users, therefore the = threshold level for "good enough" is significantly higher....making: > 5. The choice to go with a portable as primary machine involve = significant compromise on overall price/performance. As an independent = who also has to watch the $$ I find myself awarding scarce resouces to = where they'll buy me the most performance...the desktop. >=20 > Carey >=20 > On Feb 4, 2013, at 12:33 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: >=20 >> Honestly if you're worried at all about budget, AND you don't do much = video editing (which is the only reason I use Macs at all, these days) I = say definitely go for the windows desktop. If you do any 3D work you are = going to get far more use out of that machine than an upgraded laptop. = You can spend $1,000 or even less, and get a serious buttload of = rendering power, (not to mention much better and faster graphics card = options for CUDA and modeling). Spend around $1500-2000 on that machine = and you'll have a monster PC workstation that benchmarks 3-4x faster = than the fastest tricked out MBP or iMac.=20 >>=20 >> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Angie-Taylor = wrote: >> Hi all, >>=20 >> I'm going through similar dilemmas. My main work machine has become = my MBP (500GB SSD + 8GB) which has a non-CUDa card. (Early 2011 model). = It's sluggishness is driving me potty! >>=20 >> I'm in the process of deciding between keeping my MBP for on the road = and investing in a Windows desktop machine for production work (mainly = 3D and compositing/ Animation) Not much video editing. >>=20 >> Or . . . Buy a new MBP, sell the old one >>=20 >> Or . . . Buy a Windows laptop, sell the old one >>=20 >> I'm a freelancer so don't have a company to pay for this so I have to = be careful with budget. Can only really afford to update one machine. = Any recommendations? >>=20 >> Cheers, >>=20 >> Angie >>=20 >>=20 >> On 4 Feb 2013, at 18:09, Michele L Yamazaki wrote: >>=20 >>> Thanks so much Carey and Teddy.=20 >>>=20 >>> My old laptop is already promised to our new employee and he's very = excited about getting it so upgrading my old machine for me isn't an = option any more. I sure hope the apple store has what I want in stock. I = don't want to have to wait for shipping :-) >>>=20 >>> Thank you again for your help, guys.=20 >>>=20 >>> Michele >>>=20 >>> On Feb 4, 2013, at 12:32 PM, Carey Dissmore wrote: >>>=20 >>>> I recently went with the entry level 2.3 ghz Ivy bridge Quad-core = i7 15" Retina to bump my aging 2010 13" core 2 duo 2.4 MBP which was = pretty much useless for production (even though I had an SSD boot drive = plus a 1TB internal HD--having yanked out the DVD drive). >>>>=20 >>>> While I'm still a "big iron" guy doing most production on a = workstation machine that has *real* power, I have to say I'm fairly = impressed with the punch this MBP packs for AE and PPro with mobility in = mind. Definitely getting a good CUDA boost on this one (compared to = prior laptops). Downsides for me are merely 8GB RAM and no way to get = more without replacing the machine (I use 64GB on the desktop) and 256GB = internal SSD with no reasonable/affordable way to add more inside. If = this were intended to be my primary machine I would need more RAM and = internal storage which really bumps the $$$ at today's pricing. >>>>=20 >>>> Retina: It's very nice but don't think it's quite a make-or-break = feature in terms of getting work done. Having said that I will reiterate = it is very nice. I actually have seen the tearing/refresh issue when = scrolling web pages a few times but no issues (yet--it's early = days--haven't done too much in them yet) that I've observed in PPro or = AE.=20 >>>>=20 >>>> I've decided to run with it as is and have the FW800 adapter for = some large spinning disk drives but also set up an SSD in an external = USB 3.0 enclosure to get me more data portability with high speed. = Overall nice package. FWIW. >>>>=20 >>>> Carey >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On Feb 4, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Teddy Gage = wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> The 2.9 ghz 13" MBP will be only marginally faster (like 10-20%) = than your current machine (which is the exact model I currently have and = work on) - not only that but the graphics performance will actually be = worse considering it only has integrated graphics card. Certain plugins = will actually run slower on it. You would be much better off getting a = 15" core i7 quad MBP, with 16 GB RAM. It is more than 2x faster than = your current laptop according to most benchmarks, and like brian said, = is the only version with an Nvidia CUDA card for speeding up AE = raytracing and plugins.=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> As for retina, I am holding off for one more generation, as a lot = of reviews say the retina pushes so many pixels there can be a = significant "chugginess" when performing certain tasks, because of the = screen drawing demands. Especially, oddly enough, when browsing the web. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Here is my recommendation - Either get the best laptop you can = afford so it's not obsolete in two years, or save yourself a few = thousand and put an SSD and 4GB more RAM in your current laptop, for = less than $500, and it will seem like a new computer. I did this a year = ago and it's really like having a new laptop. Consider yourself lucky = the mid 2010's are so easily upgraded (unlike all new model MBPs). And = even if you are not comfortable doing it yourself there should be a = place that can do it for you. Look on www.macsales.com they have all = kinds of upgrade kits with video instructions and the proper tools. It's = really not difficult at all.=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Michele L Yamazaki = wrote: >>>>> Hi Everyone >>>>>=20 >>>>> I am going to buy a new MacBook Pro today. I need something that = can run CS6 speedily and CS7 when its out. I usually keep a laptop 2-3 = years. I will mainly be using this to demo plug-ins at user groups and = events and when I'm on the road. I have a 2010 model, 15" core i7 w/ 4GB = RAM and it just chugs with AE CS6, and with all the plug-ins that I need = to keep installed, it's just not cutting it. >>>>>=20 >>>>> So, today I'm going to buy a new one. I'm considering getting a = 13" 2.9 GHz dual core i7 with 8GB memory. I wonder if stepping down from = a 15" to a 13" will be a big deal? I used to run a 17"! I didn't notice = the screen size difference much but the weight difference was huge.=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> I'm wondering if any of you are running AE CS6 on one of these or = can recommend a what I should get with it? Does it run pretty smoothly, = not chugging along? Any issues with plugging it into projection systems? = Retina display or no? The retina displays are only 2.5Ghz core i5 on the = 13". A friend of mine says not to get the retina display but I don't = remember why he said not to. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Thanks in advance for your help. I am not really a hardware person = and I just don't know what to choose! >>>>>=20 >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Michele Yamazaki >>>>> Toolfarm Inc.: http://www.toolfarm.com >>>>>=20 >>>>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/toolfarm >>>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/toolfarm >>>>> Vimeo: http://www.vimeo.com/toolfarm >>>>> Plug-In to After Effects: http://www.pluginz.com >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> --=20 >>>>> Animator & Editor >>>>> www.teddygage.com >>>>> Brooklyn >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Animator & Editor >> www.teddygage.com >> Brooklyn >=20 --Apple-Mail=_98CBC853-5BEB-422E-8677-5801922AF547 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi = again,

Carey made this wonderful post in his blog = that I found useful when mulling over my decisions. I'm still trying to = decide which machine to plump for. I'm not quite as tech-savvy as Carey = so I'll probably go for an out of the box option like = Michelle.

Unless of course anyone knows of a = good shop in the Uk that will help me build a machine? = :-)

Thanks again to = all;


Angie


<= div>
On 4 Feb 2013, at 18:52, Carey Dissmore wrote:

I = guess I already tipped my hand on this but just to reiterate:
1. = There are no laptops at any price that can match the performance of what = is available on the desktop
2. Furthermore, your performance = per dollar invested on the desktop is way off-the-charts = higher.
3. There is such a thing as "good enough" performance = in a laptop for many users out there, where they may as well go with = portability as well....but...
4. Sadly, the After Effects and = 3D video artist is probably in one of the highest performance-demand = categories of all users, therefore the threshold level for "good enough" = is significantly higher....making:
5. The choice to go with a = portable as primary machine involve significant compromise on overall = price/performance. As an independent who also has to watch the $$ I find = myself awarding scarce resouces to where they'll buy me the most = performance...the = desktop.

Carey

On Feb = 4, 2013, at 12:33 PM, Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com> = wrote:

Honestly if you're worried at all about budget, AND you = don't do much video editing (which is the only reason I use Macs at all, = these days) I say definitely go for the windows desktop. If you do any = 3D work you are going to get far more use out of that machine than an = upgraded laptop. You can spend $1,000 or even less, and get a serious = buttload of rendering power, (not to mention much better and faster = graphics card options for CUDA and modeling). Spend around $1500-2000 on = that machine and you'll have a monster PC workstation that benchmarks = 3-4x faster than the fastest tricked out MBP or iMac. 

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:26 PM, = Angie-Taylor <angie-taylor@ntlworld.com> = wrote:
Hi all,

I'm going = through similar dilemmas. My main work machine has become my MBP (500GB = SSD + 8GB) which has a non-CUDa card. (Early 2011 model). It's = sluggishness is driving me potty!

I'm in the process of deciding between keeping my = MBP for on the road and investing in a Windows desktop machine for = production work (mainly 3D and compositing/ Animation) Not much video = editing.

Or . . . Buy a new MBP, sell the old = one

Or . . . Buy a Windows laptop, sell the old = one

I'm a freelancer so don't have a company to = pay for this so I have to be careful with budget. Can only really afford = to update one machine. Any recommendations?
=

Cheers,

Angie


On 4 Feb 2013, at 18:09, = Michele L Yamazaki wrote:

Thanks so much Carey and Teddy. 

My old laptop = is already promised to our new employee and he's very excited about = getting it so upgrading my old machine for me isn't an option any more. = I sure hope the apple store has what I want in stock. I don't want to = have to wait for shipping :-)

Thank you again for your help, = guys. 

Michele

On = Feb 4, 2013, at 12:32 PM, Carey Dissmore wrote:

I recently went with the entry level 2.3 ghz Ivy bridge Quad-core i7 15" = Retina to bump my aging 2010 13" core 2 duo 2.4 MBP which was pretty = much useless for production (even though I had an SSD boot drive plus a = 1TB internal HD--having yanked out the DVD drive).

While I'm still a "big iron" guy doing most production on = a workstation machine that has *real* power, I have to say I'm fairly = impressed with the punch this MBP packs for AE and PPro with mobility in = mind. Definitely getting a good CUDA boost on this one (compared to = prior laptops). Downsides for me are merely 8GB RAM  and no way to = get more without replacing the machine (I use 64GB on the desktop) and = 256GB internal SSD with no reasonable/affordable way to add more inside. = If this were intended to be my primary machine I would need more RAM and = internal storage which really bumps the $$$ at today's pricing.

Retina: It's very nice but don't think it's quite a = make-or-break feature in terms of getting work done. Having said that I = will reiterate it is very nice. I actually have seen the tearing/refresh = issue when scrolling web pages a few times but no issues (yet--it's = early days--haven't done too much in them yet) that I've observed in = PPro or AE. 

I've decided to run with it as is and have the FW800 = adapter for some large spinning disk drives but also set up an SSD in an = external USB 3.0 enclosure to get me more data portability with high = speed. Overall nice package. FWIW.

Carey


On Feb = 4, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com> = wrote:

The 2.9 ghz 13" MBP will be only marginally faster (like 10-20%) than = your current machine (which is the exact model I currently have and work = on) - not only that but the graphics performance will actually be worse = considering it only has integrated graphics card. Certain plugins will = actually run slower on it. You would be much better off getting a 15" = core i7 quad MBP, with 16 GB RAM. It is more than 2x faster than your = current laptop according to most benchmarks, and like brian said, is the = only version with an Nvidia CUDA card for speeding up AE raytracing and = plugins.

As for retina, I am holding off for one more generation, as a lot of = reviews say the retina pushes so many pixels there can be a significant = "chugginess" when performing certain tasks, because of the screen = drawing demands. Especially, oddly enough, when browsing the web.

Here is my recommendation - Either get the best laptop you can = afford so it's not obsolete in two years, or save yourself a few = thousand and put an SSD and 4GB more RAM in your current laptop, for = less than $500, and it will seem like a new computer. I did this a year = ago and it's really like having a new laptop. Consider yourself lucky = the mid 2010's are so easily upgraded (unlike all new model MBPs). And = even if you are not comfortable doing it yourself there should be a = place that can do it for you. Look on www.macsales.com they have all kinds of upgrade = kits with video instructions and the proper tools. It's really not = difficult at all.

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Michele = L Yamazaki <michele@toolfarm.com> = wrote:
Hi Everyone

I am = going to buy a new MacBook Pro today.  I need something that can = run CS6 speedily and CS7 when its out. I usually keep a laptop 2-3 = years. I will mainly be using this to demo plug-ins at user groups and = events and when I'm on the road. I have a 2010 model, 15" core i7 w/ 4GB = RAM and it just chugs with AE CS6, and with all the plug-ins that I need = to keep installed, it's just not cutting it.

So, today I'm going to buy a new one. I'm = considering getting a 13" 2.9 GHz dual core i7 with 8GB memory. I wonder = if stepping down from a 15" to a 13" will be a big deal? I used to run a = 17"! I didn't notice the screen size difference much but the weight = difference was huge. 

I'm wondering if any of you are running AE CS6 on = one of these or can recommend a what I should get with it? Does it run = pretty smoothly, not chugging along? Any issues with plugging it into = projection systems? Retina display or no? The retina displays are only = 2.5Ghz core i5 on the 13". A friend of mine says not to get the retina = display but I don't remember why he said not to.

Thanks in advance for your help. I am not really a = hardware person and I just don't know what to = choose!

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