Return-Path: Received: from mail-qa0-f53.google.com ([209.85.216.53] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4969201 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 06 Feb 2013 18:24:23 +0100 Received: by mail-qa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id z4so771442qan.5 for ; Wed, 06 Feb 2013 09:30:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=4FP9tb7/eTCMRJpYSzmLP5xgSmqVhrtAIsb/v784yiI=; b=uYMHQlqqvNXJqnl9O2D8wME7ktyfTJYwQ/1oJTn7VZOztizyCYTTdqX+OMxThK0fQm iECurlYUfTvp6i3/yBsGCXa5sXCiZwB/AdeCEKO/NoyZCO0SB8LjMomr19g73i2Yu9nf clzcync6DBxxpPMellE74biZu5ZIPtjDRcB/EpPXFhSiqJYeP2wNo+rF86T4jM/1CxVT oiSgJpFGMB5ThDvd18G7x7MFpG73pUsUKAs1dnTeHkeaOAtHQ7imoH+ul6G+PiWNVFFC y4X4dDBGpEYb0FVYmBwKeERolNQ2m+I97oAmeXTyfcX4hQ9PG6scMlRyJTkWY9mF9Wqi jKcA== X-Received: by 10.224.33.136 with SMTP id h8mr20789395qad.7.1360171817657; Wed, 06 Feb 2013 09:30:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.49.106.226 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Feb 2013 09:29:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Teddy Gage Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 12:29:37 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] New MacBook Pro To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3074d22c06655f04d511ae66 --20cf3074d22c06655f04d511ae66 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Nope, I don't even have a "real" watercooling system on there, I just put a closed-loop water cooler (the corsair H80) on the cpu block and have good case airflow. the overclock requires a minor bit of fiddling with BIOS settings to get 4.7 running stable, but you can easily, on air cooling and with automatic settings get around 4.1-4.5 ghz on that sandy bridge chip (the 3930K). I have the asus p9 motherboard which makes it absolutely simple to overclock. The board has a number of failsafes too, so it's not like you're going to fry anything if you don't do it perfectly, either. The overall workstation itself I built for well under $2k, I love it so much I'm thinking of building another. On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Andrew Embury wrote: > Wonderful! Thank you for your results too Carey. :) > > Tell me more about overclocking the i7 3930k Teddy. This seems too good to > be true. > > > On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Teddy Gage wrote: > >> Good to know folks... surprising the retina mbp is so close to the G75. >> >> Carey if memory serves me right, the core i7 3930k oc'd to 4.7gHz per >> core gets around 13 flat in the CPU score. It's really an incredible >> difference at render time over stock speed. And don't forget to grab the >> gtx680 manufacturer's overclocking tool, you can get another 15-20% out of >> the graphics card as well. >> >> The new quad core mac mini i7 gets around 6.5, which makes sense. Meaning >> just two of those in a render farm can equal a pretty significant CPU boost >> to anyone's workflow, and considering I got mine for around $850, means >> it's actually got near-PC level price/performance ratio >> On Feb 6, 2013 9:54 AM, "Carey Dissmore" wrote: >> >>> Cool. >>> >>> For comparison I ran Cinebench 11.5 on two machines here: >>> >>> Retina MBP 15" 2.3ghz quad-core i7 8GB RAM >>> >>> OpenGL Performance: 35.25 FPS >>> CPU: 6.10 >>> CPU (Single Core): 1.24 >>> MP Ratio: 4.92x >>> >>> >>> i7 6 core 3930k desktop GTX680 64GB RAM (I'll run this again overclocked >>> at some point) >>> >>> OpenGL Performance: 46.87 FPS >>> CPU: 9.93 >>> CPU (Single Core): 1.4 >>> MP Ratio: 7.10x >>> >>> Carey >>> >>> >>> >>> On Feb 6, 2013, at 8:10 AM, Andrew Embury wrote: >>> >>> So here's the results from the ASUS G75 SSD Version Gaming Laptop. >>> >>> Running Cinebench 11.5: >>> >>> OpenGL Performance: 42.76 FPS >>> CPU: 6.17 >>> CPU (Single Core): 1.31 >>> MP Ratio: 4.70x >>> >>> Have a great day everyone! Massage those keyframes! ;) >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: >>> >>>> Actually I believe it's an apple issue. I did some extensive research >>>> to get my own setup up and running. I also was having network discovery >>>> issues. to summarize, when apple switched to their own implementation of >>>> SMB they did something weird; they only left something like 5 kb to address >>>> file server names whereas it was something like 100kb in OS 10.6 and below. >>>> If you have more than a handful of servers, network discovery with windows >>>> either won't load, crashes, or glitches out. this is why you can connect >>>> directly if you know the IP address. However if you have dynamic IPs this >>>> can be a huge pain, as obviously ip address changes. But you can also use >>>> the computer's network name, which is what I do. you can also either >>>> install the previous smb handling or there's another workaround mentioned >>>> here I think. >>>> >>>> http://www.macwindows.com/snowleopard-filesharing.html#090209d >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Stephen van Vuuren < >>>> stephen@sv2studios.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> > Looked at cinemartin... whats the deal with it ? how much ? no >>>>> mention on >>>>> their site. >>>>> >>>>> It's not in huge letters but on the page it's released freeware. >>>>> >>>>> > I went thru OS resintalls, every config imaginable and win 7 just >>>>> refuses >>>>> to network discover correctly. >>>>> >>>>> That's a weird problem - don't think 3com switches are likely the issue >>>>> although it's not impossible if some kind of TCP port blocking is in >>>>> place. >>>>> It's possible you have some other device on your network (printer, >>>>> media >>>>> streamer etc.) - some of those devices screw with networking in >>>>> general. >>>>> >>>>> XP had a much simpler and more insecure network stack - thus less >>>>> prone to >>>>> issues. >>>>> >>>>> stephen van vuuren >>>>> 336.202.4777 >>>>> >>>>> http://www.insaturnsrings.com/ >>>>> http://www.sv2dcp.com/ >>>>> http://www.sv2studios.com/ >>>>> >>>>> A film is - or should be - more like music than like fiction. It >>>>> should be a >>>>> progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what's behind the >>>>> emotion, the >>>>> meaning, all that comes later. >>>>> -Stanley Kubrick >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On >>>>> Behalf Of >>>>> Steve Oakley >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 3:21 PM >>>>> To: After Effects Mail List >>>>> Subject: Re: [AE] New MacBook Pro >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 5, 2013, at 12:11 PM, Stephen van Vuuren < >>>>> stephen@sv2studios.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >> that "other than a few codecs" is a HUGE problem for me. not being >>>>> >> able to >>>>> > write prores is a real show stopper. >>>>> > >>>>> > There are several FFMPEG and other solutions out there - including >>>>> this: >>>>> > http://www.cinemartin.com/cinec/ just released. >>>>> >>>>> I've been aware of the FFMPEG thing, but its just not a terribly >>>>> practical >>>>> tool for everyday use. Looked at cinemartin... whats the deal with it >>>>> ? how >>>>> much ? no mention on their site. I saw another ProRes encoder but it >>>>> was >>>>> rather pricey. Cineform is too expensive per seat to consider ( free >>>>> ver >>>>> doesn't do alpha channel last time I looked ) and just not used widely >>>>> enough with the people I have to deal with.... and if they spec ProRes >>>>> HQ >>>>> thats what they want. >>>>> >>>>> while workable for final delivery, not sure about everyday work as >>>>> intermediates in the process where you are doing updates on something >>>>> all >>>>> day long. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >> then there are the win7 networking problems >>>>> > >>>>> > You must have a setup issue. I have Linux, Mac (Hackintosh) and >>>>> > Windows 7 all happy together and networked - critical part of my >>>>> > workflow. As long as you don't turn Homegroup on, life is good. Linux >>>>> > is an Unbuntu box. Like any cross-platform setup some easy >>>>> > configuration is needed - but nothing beyond some basic settings in >>>>> the >>>>> GUI. >>>>> >>>>> its entirely possible that the 3COM switches I have are the problem. >>>>> I've >>>>> considered that but don't have an option for the moment to change them >>>>> out >>>>> to see if thats the problem. >>>>> >>>>> I went thru OS resintalls, every config imaginable and win 7 just >>>>> refuses to >>>>> network discover correctly. the work around was to do a direct open of >>>>> the >>>>> share via smb/IP and make shortcuts on the desktop. that usually >>>>> worked. its >>>>> when something new shows up you have to track down the IP of the new >>>>> thing. >>>>> Also odd bits - discovery did work for one day, then never again. never >>>>> figured out how that happened. win7 does see 2 enet printers and the >>>>> router. >>>>> I never had these problems with XP. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >> too many workflow stoppers >>>>> > >>>>> > I'm not actually aware of single workflow stopper other than if you >>>>> > have apps or hardware that simply won't function on anything but >>>>> Apple >>>>> > and the cost of replacing them is too high. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> well the problems I've had resulted in huge amounts of wasted time >>>>> with no >>>>> resolution. I spent more time messing around than doing real work. >>>>> >>>>> S >>>>> +---End of message---+ >>>>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> +---End of message---+ >>>>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Animator & Editor >>>> www.teddygage.com >>>> Brooklyn >>>> >>> >>> >>> > -- Animator & Editor www.teddygage.com Brooklyn --20cf3074d22c06655f04d511ae66 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nope, I don't even have a "real" watercooling system on there= , I just put a closed-loop water cooler (the corsair H80) on the cpu block = and have good case airflow. the overclock requires a minor bit of fiddling = with BIOS settings to get 4.7 running stable, but you can easily, on air co= oling and with automatic settings get around 4.1-4.5 ghz on that sandy brid= ge chip (the 3930K). I have the asus p9 motherboard which makes it absolute= ly simple to overclock. The board has a number of failsafes too, so it'= s not like you're going to fry anything if you don't do it perfectl= y, either.=A0

The overall workstation itself I built for well under $2k, I= love it so much I'm thinking of building another.=A0

On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Andrew Embury <aembury= @gmail.com> wrote:
Wonderful! Thank you for yo= ur results too Carey. :)

Tell me more about overclocking= the i7 3930k Teddy. This seems too good to be true.

On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Teddy Gage = <teddygage@gmail.com> wrote:

Good to know folks... surprising the retina mbp is so close = to the G75.

Carey if memory serves me right, the core i7 = 3930k oc'd to 4.7gHz per core gets around 13 flat in the CPU score. It&= #39;s really an incredible difference at render time over stock speed. And = don't forget to grab the gtx680 manufacturer's overclocking tool, y= ou can get another 15-20% out of the graphics card as well.

The new quad core mac mini i7 gets around 6.5, which makes s= ense. Meaning just two of those in a render farm can equal a pretty signifi= cant CPU boost to anyone's workflow, and considering I got mine for aro= und $850, means it's actually got near-PC level price/performance ratio=

On Feb 6, 2013 9:54 AM, "Carey Dissmore&quo= t; <carey@imug= online.com> wrote:
Cool.=A0

For compari= son I ran Cinebench 11.5 on two machines here:

Retina MB= P 15" 2.3ghz quad-core i7 8GB RAM

OpenGL= Performance: 35.25 =A0FPS
CPU: 6.10
CPU (Single Core): 1.24
MP Ratio: 4.92x<= /div>


i7 6 core 3930k desktop = GTX680 64GB RAM (I'll run this again overclocked at some point)

OpenGL Performance: 46.87 FPS
CPU: 9.93<= /div>
CPU (Single Core): 1.4
MP Ratio: 7.10x
=
Carey



On Feb 6, 2013, at 8:10 AM, Andrew Embury <aembury@gmail.com> wrote:
<= br>
So here's the results fro= m the ASUS G75 SSD Version Gaming Laptop.

Running Cinebench 11.5:

OpenGL Perf= ormance: 42.76 FPS
CPU: 6.17
CPU (Single Core): 1.31
MP Ratio: 4.70x

=
Have a great day everyone! Massage those keyframes! ;)


On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:
Actually I believe it's an apple issue. I did some extensive research t= o get my own setup up and running. I also was having network discovery issu= es. to summarize, when apple switched to their own implementation of SMB th= ey did something weird; they only left something like 5 kb to address file = server names whereas it was something like 100kb in OS 10.6 and below. If y= ou have more than a handful of servers, network discovery with windows eith= er won't load, crashes, or glitches out. this is why you can connect di= rectly if you know the IP address. However if you have dynamic IPs this can= be a huge pain, as obviously ip address changes. But you can also use the = computer's network name, which is what I do. you can also either instal= l the previous smb handling or there's another workaround mentioned her= e I think.=A0

http://www.macwindows.com/snowleopard-file= sharing.html#090209d


On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Stephen van Vuuren <stephen@sv2studio= s.com> wrote:
> Looked at cinemartin... whats the = deal with it ? how much ? no mention on
their site.

It's not in huge letters but on the page it's released freewa= re.

> I went thru OS resintalls, every config imaginable and win 7 just refu= ses
to network discover correctly.

That's a weird problem - don't think 3com switches are likely= the issue
although it's not impossible if some kind of TCP port blocking is in pl= ace.
It's possible you have some other device on your network (printer, medi= a
streamer etc.) - some of those devices screw with networking in general.
XP had a much simpler and more insecure network stack - thus less prone to<= br> issues.

stephen van vuuren
336.2= 02.4777

http://www.ins= aturnsrings.com/
http://www.sv2dcp.com/=
http://www.sv2stud= ios.com/

A film is - or should be - more like music than like fiction. It should be = a
progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what's behind the emotion= , the
meaning, all that comes later.
-Stanley Kubrick


-----Original Message-----
From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of
Steve Oakley
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 3:21 PM
To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] New MacBook Pro


On Feb 5, 2013, at 12:11 PM, Stephen van Vuuren <stephen@sv2studios.com&= gt;
wrote:

>> that "other than a few codecs" is a HUGE problem for me.= not being
>> able to
> write prores is a real show stopper.
>
> There are several FFMPEG and other solutions out there - including thi= s:
> http://= www.cinemartin.com/cinec/ just released.

I've been aware of the FFMPEG thing, but its just not a terribly practi= cal
tool for everyday use. Looked at cinemartin... whats the deal with it ? how=
much ? no mention on their site. I saw another ProRes encoder but it was rather pricey. Cineform is too expensive per seat to consider ( free ver doesn't do alpha channel last time I looked ) and just not used widely<= br> enough with the people I have to deal with.... and if they spec ProRes HQ thats what they want.

while workable for final delivery, not sure about everyday work as
intermediates in the process where you are doing updates on something all day long.


>
>> then there are the win7 networking problems
>
> You must have a setup issue. I have Linux, Mac (Hackintosh) and
> Windows 7 all happy together and networked - critical part of my
> workflow. As long as you don't turn Homegroup on, life is good. Li= nux
> is an Unbuntu box. Like any cross-platform setup some easy
> configuration is needed - but nothing beyond some basic settings in th= e
GUI.

its entirely possible that the 3COM switches I have are the problem. I'= ve
considered that but don't have an option for the moment to change them = out
to see if thats the problem.

I went thru OS resintalls, every config imaginable and win 7 just refuses t= o
network discover correctly. the work around was to do a direct open of the<= br> share via smb/IP and make shortcuts on the desktop. that usually worked. it= s
when something new shows up you have to track down the IP of the new thing.=
Also odd bits - discovery did work for one day, then never again. never
figured out how that happened. win7 does see 2 enet printers and the router= .
I never had these problems with XP.


>
>> too many workflow stoppers
>
> I'm not actually aware of single workflow stopper other than if yo= u
> have apps or hardware that simply won't function on anything but A= pple
> and the cost of replacing them is too high.


well the problems I've had resulted in huge amounts of wasted time with= no
resolution. I spent more time messing around than doing real work.

S
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