Return-Path: Received: from mail-qa0-f42.google.com ([209.85.216.42] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4990311 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 01 Mar 2013 19:39:35 +0100 Received: by mail-qa0-f42.google.com with SMTP id cr7so5268244qab.1 for ; Fri, 01 Mar 2013 10:46:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=sHskklmjCIImw7WZ804FusJwxX7WQVUlhOoGPc6uFvw=; b=WS9PdXwPnMC7WJMPAch2z2viFQ8OcPFjdExXIYTEA2hPx5WSe/ou1R8YfVylpyeoOe eTmwK2HMhdNeTdy20EpTmtKyWv3GIwil6IyP7UQbh/GeFs0XYcV3aokbXncA61z97kQd 5iFdvhb11b3kPiRRYIhWAITjAxMqRj2Fv1cazRX3uo+t848N00XoMPwd6dxHoM4+qj22 nZGqWSKLuKryyoEtr4eSMidjt22UgBxPI96guGFNX7nzbOoh6J22V32OT+5Jxh6xHUSk t+mO8h+w99hpb2tggOD3slA5OQA4Ivwls+7AELtVd+m/Bxv0aBo0Nsh1YYzP32SIDglK 5VuQ== X-Received: by 10.224.223.80 with SMTP id ij16mr21022087qab.8.1362163573235; Fri, 01 Mar 2013 10:46:13 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.49.106.226 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Mar 2013 10:45:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Teddy Gage Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 13:45:33 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] [OT] Wacom Cintiq 22HD To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3074b54ce8c43a04d6e16bc9 --20cf3074b54ce8c43a04d6e16bc9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable agreed. I mentioned this earlier. I'd also worry about mistaken touch presses / errors as I worked. I like that the wacom is pen-only. When I draw on the iPad, it can be difficult to avoid touching the screen (although I recently got the gogo connect pressure sensistive stylus that does have a stylus-exclusivity in some apps. But the response time is years behind a wacom and the stylus itself is pretty imprecise). It's cool for blocking out rough ideas though - it will even export .psd layers (from the app ProCreate). Definitely not a replacement though. On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Byron Nash wrote: > I think the touch 24HD is significantly more expensive than the non-touch > 24HD. The MSRP on their site is $3,699.00 for touch and $2599 non-touch. > A 24" touch screen on top of Wacom's pen interface would be awesome, but > $3K+ is steep for most people. > > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Evan Fotis wrote: > >> I dothought feel that from the current products the 22HD sits in the >> sweet spot. With the extra 600 of the 24HD I'd get a large intuos or >> another monitor. >> >> I've also used the DIY wiimote touch project for presentations and crude >> pentouch stuff which works well when all set up, in small monitors its v= ery >> good, in larder displays it needs two wiimotes, and it dislikes too much >> ambient light. >> >> btw have you seen this airtouch? >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=3Dplayer_embedded&v=3DmQkKyOOyLSs >> >> >> >> On 01-Mar-13 20:21, Evan Fotis wrote: >> >> For what its worth, you can now find a refurb 21UX directly from Wacom >> at around $1K half price that is. Its rez @1600x1200 instead of 1920x108= 0 >> of the 22HD but i find the vertical space more useful when drawing. >> On 01-Mar-13 19:56, Teddy Gage wrote: >> >> sadly I think the touch / multitouch options are another cool thou for >> the 24HD Touch, on top of the 600 premium for the "regular" 24HD 1920x12= 00. >> it would be pretty awesome for 3d sculpting (rotate model as you paint, >> etc) but I don't do enough zbrush to justify it. yet.=EF=BF=BD >> >> On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Brian Maffitt = wrote: >> >>> The Ergo stand looks really nice, and the 24" also has touch >>> interaction, which the 22HD does not. I admit I think the touch feature= s >>> might be useful, but the 24" wasn't a shipping option when I got the 22= ". >>> But yeah, $600 is a big difference. >>> >>> I do find the 1920 x 1080 22HD screen very useful for video work, and >>> it has the best color of any of my current monitors. I wish it were >>> easier/safer to orient the monitor totally vertically when I'm not usin= g it >>> as a tablet. I can prop the back legs up, but it feels precarious, and = I >>> don't want the thing to topple over and break. >>> >>> Brian >>> >>> >>> It's not worth the extra $600 to go up to the 1920 x 1200 24HD right? I >>> think that would be too big for my workspace anyway, but I do like the = ergo >>> stand for it. After the 12wx I think anything is going to feel enormous >>> anyway. That thing is tiny. >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Brian Maffitt wrote: >>> >>>> I do, it's pretty awesome, and doubles as a nice extension to my >>>> desktop when I'm not using the tablet. >>>> >>>> >>>> Anyone use one of these? Thinking of upgrading my trusty cintiq12WX >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Animator & Editor >>>> www.teddygage.com >>>> Brooklyn >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Animator & Editor >>> www.teddygage.com >>> Brooklyn >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Animator & Editor >> www.teddygage.com >> Brooklyn >> >> >> >> > --=20 Animator & Editor www.teddygage.com Brooklyn --20cf3074b54ce8c43a04d6e16bc9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable agreed. I mentioned this earlier. I'd also worry about mistaken touch p= resses / errors as I worked. I like that the wacom is pen-only. When I draw= on the iPad, it can be difficult to avoid touching the screen (although I = recently got the gogo connect pressure sensistive stylus that does have a s= tylus-exclusivity in some apps. But the response time is years behind a wac= om and the stylus itself is pretty imprecise). It's cool for blocking o= ut rough ideas though - it will even export .psd layers (from the app ProCr= eate). Definitely not a replacement though.=C2=A0

On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Byron Nash <= span dir=3D"ltr"><byronnash@gmail.com> wrote:
I think the touch 24HD is significantly more expensive tha= n the non-touch 24HD. The MSRP on their site is=C2=A0$3,699.00 for touch and $2599 = non-touch. A 24" touch screen on top of Wacom's pen interface woul= d be awesome, but $3K+ is steep for most people.=C2=A0


On Fri, Mar 1= , 2013 at 1:32 PM, Evan Fotis <evan.fotis@gmail.com> wrot= e:
=20 =20 =20
I dothought feel that from the current products the 22HD sits in the sweet spot. With the extra 600 of the 24HD I'd get a large intuos o= r another monitor.

I've also used the DIY wiimote touch project for presentations and crude pentouch stuff which works well when all set up, in small monitors its very good, in larder displays it needs two wiimotes, and it dislikes too much ambient light.

btw have you seen this airtouch?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=3Dplayer= _embedded&v=3DmQkKyOOyLSs



On 01-Mar-13 20:21, Evan Fotis wrote:
=20 For what its worth, you can now find a refurb 21UX directly from Wacom=C2=A0 at around $1K half price that is. Its rez @1600x1200 instead of 1920x1080 of the 22HD but i find the vertical space more useful when drawing.
On 01-Mar-13 19:56, Teddy Gage wrote:
sadly I think the touch / multitouch options are another cool thou for the 24HD Touch, on top of the 600 premium for the "regular&quo= t; 24HD 1920x1200. it would be pretty awesome for 3d sculpting (rotate model as you paint, etc) but I don't do enough zbrush to justif= y it. yet.=EF=BF=BD

On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Brian Maffitt <brian@totaltraining.com> wrote:
The Ergo stand looks really nice, and the 24" also has touch interaction, which the 22HD does not. I admit I think the touch features might be useful, but the 24"= ; wasn't a shipping option when I got the 22". But y= eah, $600 is a big difference.

I do find the 1920 x 1080 22HD screen very useful for video work, and it has the best color of any of my current monitors. I wish it were easier/safer to orient the monitor totally vertically when I'm not using it as a tablet. I can prop the back legs up, but it feels precarious, and I don't want the thing to topple over and break.
Brian


It's not worth the extr= a $600 to go up to the 1920 x 1200 24HD right? I think that would be too big for my workspace anyway, but I do like the ergo stand for it. After the 12wx I think anything is going to feel enormous anyway. That thing is tiny.

On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Brian Maffitt <brian@totaltraini= ng.com> wrote:
I do, it= 9;s pretty awesome, and doubles as a nice extension to my desktop when I'm not usin= g the tablet.


Anyone use one of these? Thinking of upgrading my trusty cintiq12WX

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