Return-Path: Received: from qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.27.212] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4994468 for ae-list@media-motion.tv; Tue, 05 Mar 2013 21:13:05 +0100 Received: from omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.87]) by qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7vwg1l0031smiN4AEwKrEu; Tue, 05 Mar 2013 20:19:51 +0000 Received: from sz0119.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7wKq1l00V2xZMJ48gwKqdH; Tue, 05 Mar 2013 20:19:51 +0000 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 20:19:50 +0000 (UTC) From: pixelbot@comcast.net To: After Effects Mail List , stephen@sv2studios.com Message-ID: <701147294.171140.1362514790747.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [AE] Optimizing a 1.5GB AE file MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_171139_2137268216.1362514790715" X-Originating-IP: [::ffff:107.1.199.10] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - SAF3 (Mac)/6.0.13_GA_2944) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20121106; t=1362514791; bh=Bjl5TOQO47OLLL2UYakVJsa9aAPH1OJ7c5QoJfKocaQ=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=p2/T18tOfEzOQPkWzzAAg/2jkmYrdeAINOpZWt40TBW1cOlOHZtKPUcRoQvGgamT+ 62Y9He2+4AZ9G1KXzcbYpAoRfa66ptRzPJjJ/Ynvj1pCSs6wF3sr6AkwmQ8zuEBR65 8eYGPD/TAfAON6FwQFHxgRhAlUCYHhkH4Rs6bo/r1wJqDqqp/lGAlNDeKCsnZFAJON /aaECeAwYPhQmvDXH2pwolousrAXjwBpI8IJYEDzpcKS28Ij+jOQUtUC3ijZ6WB4Eu nN2hYxeIFTi9mWNCvmmEAdCIbautQHEZp8yAckmfJxdIepXJ6EfU7c1ObXwZRnGAS5 lrAAHFzBHZzLg== ------=_Part_171139_2137268216.1362514790715 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've never done something this long but I can attest that creating movies u= sing RAW files is a real time cruncher=20 timt=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen van Vuuren" =20 To: "After Effects Mail List" =20 Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 12:16:40 PM=20 Subject: Re: [AE] Optimizing a 1.5GB AE file=20 No way to break it into chunks =E2=80=93 this is the file assembled from th= e chunks. I=E2=80=99m pretty sure it=E2=80=99s the raw files causing the pr= oblems.=20 stephen van vuuren=20 336.202.4777=20 http://www.insaturnsrings.com/=20 http://www.sv2dcp.com/=20 http://www.sv2studios.com/=20 A film is =E2=80=93 or should be =E2=80=93 more like music than like fictio= n. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what=E2=80= =99s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later.=20 =E2=80=93 Stanley Kubrick=20 From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of= rendernyc=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 3:08 PM=20 To: After Effects Mail List=20 Subject: Re: [AE] Optimizing a 1.5GB AE file=20 any chance of breaking the project in to chunks?=20 move the seqs so that AE doesnt seem them should help load the project fast= er.=20 break it in to chunks that are more easily loadable... 6 x 6 min and a 7min= i thats workign better?=20 On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Steve Oakley < steveo@practicali.com > wrot= e:=20 what would work is a 3 or 4 drive SATA array, internal. with 3TB drives, 3 = HD's I'm getting 525mb/sec. if I had 4 I'd expect 700mb/sec. cost is reason= able again these days. I'd consider it billable. oh, stay away from toshiba= 3TB's, get hitachi's - slightly slower but at least they work.=20 S=20 On Mar 5, 2013, at 12:00 PM, Teddy Gage < teddygage@gmail.com > wrote:=20 he said the raw files are over 2.5 TB of media. The slowdown probably comes= from reading the individual files off your media storage to assemble the s= equence. I have run into this problem with sequences, but never on this sca= le. The SSD wouldn't help much if you only plan on having the project file = on it. You'd need a 2.5 TB SSD. Hope the client has a couple hundred thousa= nd dollars on hand...=20 On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Brian Higgins < higgins@soldesignfx.com > = wrote:=20 How much media do you have? If you're saying that the project file + media = are 1.5GB, an SSD probably won't help you that much. My guess is that the l= ong load times are from AE having to process the camera raw files into usab= le pixels. Raw flexibility comes with a heavy performance hit!=20 -bH=20 On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Stephen van Vuuren < stephen@sv2studios.co= m > wrote:=20 JPG Proxies were used for the assembly/online. But render all have been rep= laced with RAW for a final CC =E2=80=93 client did that =E2=80=93 I=E2=80= =99m just doing the DCP render but have to open/close the file a number of = times, save. It takes several minutes to save.=20 I=E2=80=99m going to do short render test but I=E2=80=99m thinking of charg= ing the client for an SSD drive.=20 stephen van vuuren=20 336.202.4777=20 http://www.insaturnsrings.com/=20 http://www.sv2dcp.com/=20 http://www.sv2studios.com/=20 A film is =E2=80=93 or should be =E2=80=93 more like music than like fictio= n. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what=E2=80= =99s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later.=20 =E2=80=93 Stanley Kubrick=20 From: After Effects Mail List [mailto: AE-List@media-motion.tv ] On Behalf = Of Teddy Gage=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 12:27 PM=20 To: After Effects Mail List=20 Subject: Re: [AE] Optimizing a 1.5GB AE file=20 Jesus christ. Buy a mainframe from IBM? Honestly the only thing I can think= of is to bake the pics from .raw to JPG proxies.=20 On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Stephen van Vuuren < stephen@sv2studios.co= m > wrote:=20 I=E2=80=99ve got a client supplied AE CS6 project file that is 1.5Gb =E2=80= =93 takes an hour and half to open. It=E2=80=99s a 37 minute 4K film that I= =E2=80=99m creating a DCP. It=E2=80=99s already reduced. It=E2=80=99s creat= ed from DSLR pics =E2=80=93 2.6 TB of RAW files.=20 Any under the hood performance tweaks that might help AE handle the file be= tter? The render machine I have does not have a SSD unfortunately which wou= ld help a bit with load times it appears the load is mostly checking the 2.= 6 TB of RAW files.=20 stephen van vuuren=20 336.202.4777=20 http://www.insaturnsrings.com/=20 http://www.sv2dcp.com/=20 http://www.sv2studios.com/=20 A film is =E2=80=93 or should be =E2=80=93 more like music than like fictio= n. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what=E2=80= =99s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later.=20 =E2=80=93 Stanley Kubrick=20 --=20 Animator & Editor=20 www.teddygage.com=20 Brooklyn=20 --=20 brian higgins | creative director=20 Sol Design=20 312.706.5500=20 higgins@soldesignfx.com=20 soldesignfx.com=20 --=20 Animator & Editor=20 www.teddygage.com=20 Brooklyn=20 --=20 danny princz=20 exposedideas.com ------=_Part_171139_2137268216.1362514790715 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= div style=3D'font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>I've neve= r done something this long but I can attest that creating movies using RAW = files is a real time cruncher

timt 

From: "Stephen van Vuuren" <stephen@sv2studios.com>=
To: "After Effects Mail List" <AE-List@media-motion.tv>Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 12:16:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AE= ] Optimizing a 1.5GB AE file

No way to break it into chunks =E2=80= =93 this is the file assembled from the chunks. I=E2=80=99m pretty sure it= =E2=80=99s the raw files causing the problems.

 

= stephen van vuuren

336.202.4777

 

http://www.insaturnsrings.c= om/

http://www.sv2dcp.com/=

http://www.sv2studios.com/

 

A film is =E2=80=93 or should = be =E2=80=93 more like music than like fiction. It should be a progression = of moods and feelings. The theme, what=E2=80=99s behind the emotion, the me= aning, all that comes later.

=E2=80=93Stanley Kubrick

 

= From: After Effects Mail List [mailto= :AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of rendernyc
Sent: Tue= sday, March 05, 2013 3:08 PM
To: After Effects Mail List
Su= bject: Re: [AE] Optimizing a 1.5GB AE file

 

any chance of breaking the proje= ct in to chunks?

 

move the seqs so that AE doesnt seem them should help load= the project faster.

 

<= div>

break it in to chunks that are more easily loada= ble... 6 x 6 min and a 7min i thats workign better?

 

 

=

 

=

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Steve Oakley &l= t;steveo@practic= ali.com> wrote:

what would work is a = 3 or 4 drive SATA array, internal. with 3TB drives, 3 HD's I'm getting 525m= b/sec. if I had 4 I'd expect 700mb/sec. cost is reasonable again these days= . I'd consider it billable. oh, stay away from toshiba 3TB's, get hitachi's= - slightly slower but at least they work.

 

S

 

On Mar 5, 2013, at 12:00 PM, Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com> wrote:=



he said the raw files are over 2.5 TB of media. T= he slowdown probably comes from reading the individual files off your media= storage to assemble the sequence. I have run into this problem with sequen= ces, but never on this scale. The SSD wouldn't help much if you only plan o= n having the project file on it. You'd need a 2.5 TB SSD. Hope the client h= as a couple hundred thousand dollars on hand...

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Brian Higgins <higgins@soldesignfx.com> wr= ote:

How much media do you have?  If you're = saying that the project file + media are 1.5GB, an SSD probably won't help = you that much.  My guess is that the long load times are from AE havin= g to process the camera raw files into usable pixels.  Raw flexibility= comes with a heavy performance hit!

 <= /p>

 

-bH

 

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Stephen van Vuuren &l= t;stephen@sv2st= udios.com> wrote:

JPG Proxies were u= sed for the assembly/online. But render all have been replaced with RAW for= a final CC =E2=80=93 client did that =E2=80=93 I=E2=80=99m just doing the = DCP render but have to open/close the file a number of times, save. It take= s several minutes to save.

&n= bsp;

I=E2=80=99m going to do = short render test but I=E2=80=99m thinking of charging the client for an SS= D drive.

 

stephen van vuuren

336.202.4777

 

http://www.insatur= nsrings.com/

http://www.sv2dcp.com/<= /span>

http://www= .sv2studios.com/

 

A film is= =E2=80=93 or should be =E2=80=93 more like music than like fiction. It sho= uld be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what=E2=80=99s behin= d the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later.

=E2=80=93Stanley Kubrick

 

From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.= tv] On Behalf Of Teddy Gage
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2= 013 12:27 PM


To: After Eff= ects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] Optimizing a 1.5GB AE file

 

 

= Jesus christ. Buy a mainframe from IBM? Honestly the only thing I can think= of is to bake the pics from .raw to JPG proxies. 

=

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Stephen van Vuuren <stephen@sv2studios.com> wrote:

I=E2=80=99ve got a client supplied AE CS6 pro= ject file that is 1.5Gb =E2=80=93 takes an hour and half to open. It=E2=80= =99s a 37 minute 4K film that I=E2=80=99m creating a DCP. It=E2=80=99s alre= ady reduced. It=E2=80=99s created from DSLR pics =E2=80=93 2.6 TB of RAW fi= les.

 

Any under the hood performance tweaks t= hat might help AE handle the file better? The render machine I have does no= t have a SSD unfortunately which would help a bit with load times it appear= s the load is mostly checking the 2.6 TB of RAW files.

 

stephen van vuuren

336.202.4777

 

http://www.insaturnsrings.com/

http://www.sv2dcp.com/

http://www.sv2stud= ios.com/

 

A film is =E2=80=93 or should be =E2=80=93 mo= re like music than like fiction. It should be a progression of moods and fe= elings. The theme, what=E2=80=99s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that= comes later.

=E2= =80=93Stanley Kubrick

 



 

--

Animator & Editor
www.teddygage.com
B= rooklyn

 


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--

brian higgins | creative director
Sol  Desig= n
312.706.5500<= /a>
higgins@soldesignfx.com
soldesignfx.com

 

 



 

--
Anim= ator & Editor
www.teddygage.com
Brooklyn

 <= /p>



 

-= -
danny princz

exposedideas.com

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