Return-Path: Received: from mail-wg0-f49.google.com ([74.125.82.49] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4994480 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 05 Mar 2013 21:17:24 +0100 Received: by mail-wg0-f49.google.com with SMTP id 15so6583697wgd.16 for ; Tue, 05 Mar 2013 12:24:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=jrt3mljgGi2jDSbUDks7q4BVv9HtPTWfufWJNCYeQ/s=; b=ds3X9XSmPoIA9i5HyEK8zIICx4+ZM3Y8Sk1uQakGawxWSpwJuVtOdMQS8SxY4EtU3o iXNcYDdCrf8Nwg/iecXrBFi0PSvmOZOaWyW6kbFiK5y6AUozqOAUTQzlsDSzcL4JTUrv eNNLHtwOuce5818ttMTtSXqUgSNEqpFrdBjCdLKwSDVi1zHor+19gP+RBgCAYkpEwKUe IgE76S5pnHoFM9z8vvCiSa1k4axbboiO8MJsPFEIF1uqHC9xqnVhNKfYnKZvzwzgNb5c f4YgUM1whFGk9v52eotSrbua9bZcz6t3pT5tMA2MjCU76MIUkS0kwCSWECFALQssyZja JjRA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.178.9 with SMTP id cu9mr21626911wjc.39.1362515050944; Tue, 05 Mar 2013 12:24:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.83.99 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 12:24:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 15:24:10 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Optimizing a 1.5GB AE file From: rendernyc To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e013d1f289ce43b04d733415f --089e013d1f289ce43b04d733415f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i get that you are doign a DCP. I dont see why you cant break it in to chunks, render an intermediate, then make the DCP On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 3:19 PM, wrote: > I've never done something this long but I can attest that creating movies > using RAW files is a real time cruncher > > timt > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Stephen van Vuuren" > *To: *"After Effects Mail List" > *Sent: *Tuesday, March 5, 2013 12:16:40 PM > > *Subject: *Re: [AE] Optimizing a 1.5GB AE file > > No way to break it into chunks =96 this is the file assembled from the > chunks. I=92m pretty sure it=92s the raw files causing the problems. > > > > *stephen van vuuren* > > 336.202.4777 > > * * > > *http://www.insaturnsrings.com/*** > > *http://www.sv2dcp.com/* > > *http://www.sv2studios.com/* > > * * > > *A film is =96 or should be =96 more like music than like fiction. It sho= uld > be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what=92s behind the > emotion, the meaning, all that comes later.* > > =96*Stanley Kubrick* > > > > *From:* After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] *On > Behalf Of *rendernyc > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 05, 2013 3:08 PM > *To:* After Effects Mail List > *Subject:* Re: [AE] Optimizing a 1.5GB AE file > > > > any chance of breaking the project in to chunks? > > > > move the seqs so that AE doesnt seem them should help load the project > faster. > > > > break it in to chunks that are more easily loadable... 6 x 6 min and a > 7min i thats workign better? > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Steve Oakley > wrote: > > what would work is a 3 or 4 drive SATA array, internal. with 3TB drives, = 3 > HD's I'm getting 525mb/sec. if I had 4 I'd expect 700mb/sec. cost is > reasonable again these days. I'd consider it billable. oh, stay away from > toshiba 3TB's, get hitachi's - slightly slower but at least they work. > > > > S > > > > On Mar 5, 2013, at 12:00 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: > > > > he said the raw files are over 2.5 TB of media. The slowdown probably > comes from reading the individual files off your media storage to assembl= e > the sequence. I have run into this problem with sequences, but never on > this scale. The SSD wouldn't help much if you only plan on having the > project file on it. You'd need a 2.5 TB SSD. Hope the client has a couple > hundred thousand dollars on hand... > > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Brian Higgins > wrote: > > How much media do you have? If you're saying that the project file + > media are 1.5GB, an SSD probably won't help you that much. My guess is > that the long load times are from AE having to process the camera raw fil= es > into usable pixels. Raw flexibility comes with a heavy performance hit! > > > > > > -bH > > > > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Stephen van Vuuren < > stephen@sv2studios.com> wrote: > > JPG Proxies were used for the assembly/online. But render all have been > replaced with RAW for a final CC =96 client did that =96 I=92m just doing= the DCP > render but have to open/close the file a number of times, save. It takes > several minutes to save. > > > > I=92m going to do short render test but I=92m thinking of charging the cl= ient > for an SSD drive. > > > > *stephen van vuuren* > > 336.202.4777 > > * * > > *http://www.insaturnsrings.com/* > > *http://www.sv2dcp.com/* > > *http://www.sv2studios.com/* > > * * > > *A film is =96 or should be =96 more like music than like fiction. It sho= uld > be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what=92s behind the > emotion, the meaning, all that comes later.* > > =96*Stanley Kubrick* > > > > *From:* After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] *On > Behalf Of *Teddy Gage > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 05, 2013 12:27 PM > > > *To:* After Effects Mail List > *Subject:* Re: [AE] Optimizing a 1.5GB AE file > > > > > > Jesus christ. Buy a mainframe from IBM? Honestly the only thing I can > think of is to bake the pics from .raw to JPG proxies. > > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Stephen van Vuuren < > stephen@sv2studios.com> wrote: > > I=92ve got a client supplied AE CS6 project file that is 1.5Gb =96 takes = an > hour and half to open. It=92s a 37 minute 4K film that I=92m creating a D= CP. > It=92s already reduced. It=92s created from DSLR pics =96 2.6 TB of RAW f= iles. > > > > Any under the hood performance tweaks that might help AE handle the file > better? The render machine I have does not have a SSD unfortunately which > would help a bit with load times it appears the load is mostly checking t= he > 2.6 TB of RAW files. > > > > *stephen van vuuren* > > 336.202.4777 > > * * > > *http://www.insaturnsrings.com/* > > *http://www.sv2dcp.com/* > > *http://www.sv2studios.com/* > > * * > > *A film is =96 or should be =96 more like music than like fiction. It sho= uld > be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what=92s behind the > emotion, the meaning, all that comes later.* > > =96*Stanley Kubrick* > > > > > > > > -- > > Animator & Editor > www.teddygage.com > Brooklyn > > > > > > > > -- > > brian higgins | creative director > Sol Design > 312.706.5500 > higgins@soldesignfx.com > soldesignfx.com > > > > > > > > > > -- > Animator & Editor > www.teddygage.com > Brooklyn > > > > > > > > -- > danny princz > > exposedideas.com > --=20 danny princz exposedideas.com --089e013d1f289ce43b04d733415f Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i get that you are doign a DCP. I dont see why you cant br= eak it in to chunks, render an intermediate, then make the DCP


On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 = at 3:19 PM, <pixelbot@comcast.net> wrote:
I've never done something this long but I can attest that crea= ting movies using RAW files is a real time cruncher

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From: "Stephen van Vuuren&quo= t; <stephen@= sv2studios.com>
To: "After Effects Mail List" &l= t;AE-List@medi= a-motion.tv>
Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 12:16:40 PM

<= b>Subject: Re: [AE] Optimizing a 1.5GB AE file

No way to break it into chunks =96 th= is is the file assembled from the chunks. I=92m pretty sure it=92s the raw = files causing the problems.

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stephen van vuuren

336.202.4777

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<= span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-s= erif";color:#1f497d">http://www.insaturnsrings.com/

http://www.sv2dcp= .com/

http://www= .sv2studios.com/

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A film is =96 or should be= =96 more like music than like fiction. It should be a progression of moods= and feelings. The theme, what=92s behind the emotion, the meaning, all tha= t comes later.

=96Stanley Kubrick=

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From: After Ef= fects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of rendernyc
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 3:08 PM
To: After Effects Ma= il List
Subject: Re: [AE] Optimizing a 1.5GB AE file

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any chance of break= ing the project in to chunks?

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move t= he seqs so that AE doesnt seem them should help load the project faster.

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break it in to chunks that are more easily loadable... 6 x 6 min and a 7mi= n i thats workign better?

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On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Steve= Oakley <stev= eo@practicali.com> wrote:

what would work is a 3 or 4 drive SATA array, i= nternal. with 3TB drives, 3 HD's I'm getting 525mb/sec. if I had 4 = I'd expect 700mb/sec. cost is reasonable again these days. I'd cons= ider it billable. oh, stay away from toshiba 3TB's, get hitachi's -= slightly slower but at least they work.

=A0

S

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On Mar 5, 2013, at 12:00 PM, T= eddy Gage <tedd= ygage@gmail.com> wrote:



he said the raw files are over 2.5 TB of media. The slo= wdown probably comes from reading the individual files off your media stora= ge to assemble the sequence. I have run into this problem with sequences, b= ut never on this scale. The SSD wouldn't help much if you only plan on = having the project file on it. You'd need a 2.5 TB SSD. Hope the client= has a couple hundred thousand dollars on hand...

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Brian Higgins = <higgins@so= ldesignfx.com> wrote:

How much media do yo= u have? =A0If you're saying that the project file + media are 1.5GB, an= SSD probably won't help you that much. =A0My guess is that the long lo= ad times are from AE having to process the camera raw files into usable pix= els. =A0Raw flexibility comes with a heavy performance hit!

=A0

= =A0

-bH

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On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 11:3= 5 AM, Stephen van Vuuren <stephen@sv2studios.com> wrote:

JPG Proxies were used for the as= sembly/online. But render all have been replaced with RAW for a final CC = =96 client did that =96 I=92m just doing the DCP render but have to open/cl= ose the file a number of times, save. It takes several minutes to save.

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I=92m going to do short render test = but I=92m thinking of charging the client for an SSD drive.

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stephen van vuuren

336.202.4777

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http://www.insaturnsrings.com/

http://www.sv2dcp.com/

http://www.sv2studios.com/=

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A film is =96 or should be= =96 more like music than like fiction. It should be a progression of moods= and feelings. The theme, what=92s behind the emotion, the meaning, all tha= t comes later.

=96Stanley Kubrick=

=A0

From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Tedd= y Gage
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 12:27 PM


To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE]= Optimizing a 1.5GB AE file

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Jesus christ. Buy a mainframe from IBM? Honestly the only thi= ng I can think of is to bake the pics from .raw to JPG proxies.=A0

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Stephen van Vu= uren <stephe= n@sv2studios.com> wrote:

I=92ve got a= client supplied AE CS6 project file that is 1.5Gb =96 takes an hour and ha= lf to open. It=92s a 37 minute 4K film that I=92m creating a DCP. It=92s al= ready reduced. It=92s created from DSLR pics =96 2.6 TB of RAW files.

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Any under the hood per= formance tweaks that might help AE handle the file better? The render machi= ne I have does not have a SSD unfortunately which would help a bit with loa= d times it appears the load is mostly checking the 2.6 TB of RAW files.

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stephen van vuuren<= /b>

336.202.4777

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http://www.insaturnsrings.com/<= /p>

http://www.sv2dcp.com/<= /p>

http://www.sv2studios.com/

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A film is =96 or should be =96 more like music than l= ike fiction. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, w= hat=92s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later.

=96Stanley Kubri= ck

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