Return-Path: Received: from gateway09.websitewelcome.com ([69.93.243.4] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4994495 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 05 Mar 2013 21:30:18 +0100 Received: by gateway09.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 507) id DB8EF843765AF; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 14:36:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from gator1184.hostgator.com (gator1184.hostgator.com [174.121.151.98]) by gateway09.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB45C8437656B for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 14:36:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from [24.163.5.74] (port=51825 helo=Neptune) by gator1184.hostgator.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UCybf-0007ql-FC for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 05 Mar 2013 14:37:03 -0600 Reply-To: From: "Stephen van Vuuren" To: "'After Effects Mail List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [AE] Optimizing a 1.5GB AE file Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 15:37:02 -0500 Organization: SV2 Studios Message-ID: <01b801ce19e1$317043a0$9450cae0$@sv2studios.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01B9_01CE19B7.489DE520" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQG19cd0GUO82jNjO4An9s/GEOFhmpjH1Xbw Content-Language: en-us X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator1184.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - media-motion.tv X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sv2studios.com X-BWhitelist: yes X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: (Neptune) [24.163.5.74]:51825 X-Source-Auth: stephen@sv2studios.com X-Email-Count: 5 X-Source-Cap: c3RlcGhlbnY7c3RlcGhlbnY7Z2F0b3IxMTg0Lmhvc3RnYXRvci5jb20= This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01B9_01CE19B7.489DE520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > i get that you are doign a DCP. I dont see why you cant break it in to chunks, render an intermediate, then make the DCP The RAW files are source footage, AE is being used by the client for the edit (Premiere does not let you cut raw sequences). Sources files are used throughout, so they said they could not break it into 2 or 3 parts as load times would be just as long. They probably could have used a better workflow - but I'm just getting what they have and have to render it ASAP. > Stephen, is there any chance you can make your client render the file out on his end and then provide you with a huge quicktime (12bpc log prores, perhaps) that you can use as the source for the DCP? That's normally what I do for clients - but in this case they are paying me to do the render. Normally, intermediate renders I don't charge much if any for, but having messed with DSLR raw files in AE, I knew it would involve effort, so my time is covered. However, they are late, I have faster machines - I'm just looking for speed gains at this point. stephen van vuuren 336.202.4777 http://www.insaturnsrings.com/ http://www.sv2dcp.com/ http://www.sv2studios.com/ A film is - or should be - more like music than like fiction. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what's behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later. -Stanley Kubrick From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of rendernyc Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 3:24 PM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] Optimizing a 1.5GB AE file i get that you are doign a DCP. I dont see why you cant break it in to chunks, render an intermediate, then make the DCP On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 3:19 PM, wrote: I've never done something this long but I can attest that creating movies using RAW files is a real time cruncher timt _____ From: "Stephen van Vuuren" To: "After Effects Mail List" Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 12:16:40 PM Subject: Re: [AE] Optimizing a 1.5GB AE file No way to break it into chunks - this is the file assembled from the chunks. I'm pretty sure it's the raw files causing the problems. stephen van vuuren 336.202.4777 http://www.insaturnsrings.com/ http://www.sv2dcp.com/ http://www.sv2studios.com/ A film is - or should be - more like music than like fiction. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what's behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later. -Stanley Kubrick From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of rendernyc Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 3:08 PM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] Optimizing a 1.5GB AE file any chance of breaking the project in to chunks? move the seqs so that AE doesnt seem them should help load the project faster. break it in to chunks that are more easily loadable... 6 x 6 min and a 7min i thats workign better? On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Steve Oakley wrote: what would work is a 3 or 4 drive SATA array, internal. with 3TB drives, 3 HD's I'm getting 525mb/sec. if I had 4 I'd expect 700mb/sec. cost is reasonable again these days. I'd consider it billable. oh, stay away from toshiba 3TB's, get hitachi's - slightly slower but at least they work. S On Mar 5, 2013, at 12:00 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: he said the raw files are over 2.5 TB of media. The slowdown probably comes from reading the individual files off your media storage to assemble the sequence. I have run into this problem with sequences, but never on this scale. The SSD wouldn't help much if you only plan on having the project file on it. You'd need a 2.5 TB SSD. Hope the client has a couple hundred thousand dollars on hand... On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Brian Higgins wrote: How much media do you have? If you're saying that the project file + media are 1.5GB, an SSD probably won't help you that much. My guess is that the long load times are from AE having to process the camera raw files into usable pixels. Raw flexibility comes with a heavy performance hit! -bH On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Stephen van Vuuren wrote: JPG Proxies were used for the assembly/online. But render all have been replaced with RAW for a final CC - client did that - I'm just doing the DCP render but have to open/close the file a number of times, save. It takes several minutes to save. I'm going to do short render test but I'm thinking of charging the client for an SSD drive. stephen van vuuren 336.202.4777 http://www.insaturnsrings.com/ http://www.sv2dcp.com/ http://www.sv2studios.com/ A film is - or should be - more like music than like fiction. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what's behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later. -Stanley Kubrick From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Teddy Gage Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 12:27 PM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] Optimizing a 1.5GB AE file Jesus christ. Buy a mainframe from IBM? Honestly the only thing I can think of is to bake the pics from .raw to JPG proxies. On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Stephen van Vuuren wrote: I've got a client supplied AE CS6 project file that is 1.5Gb - takes an hour and half to open. It's a 37 minute 4K film that I'm creating a DCP. It's already reduced. It's created from DSLR pics - 2.6 TB of RAW files. Any under the hood performance tweaks that might help AE handle the file better? The render machine I have does not have a SSD unfortunately which would help a bit with load times it appears the load is mostly checking the 2.6 TB of RAW files. stephen van vuuren 336.202.4777 http://www.insaturnsrings.com/ http://www.sv2dcp.com/ http://www.sv2studios.com/ A film is - or should be - more like music than like fiction. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what's behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later. -Stanley Kubrick -- Animator & Editor www.teddygage.com Brooklyn -- brian higgins | creative director Sol Design 312.706.5500 higgins@soldesignfx.com soldesignfx.com -- Animator & Editor www.teddygage.com Brooklyn -- danny princz exposedideas.com -- danny princz exposedideas.com ------=_NextPart_000_01B9_01CE19B7.489DE520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

> i get that you are doign a DCP. I dont see why you cant = break it in to chunks, render an intermediate, then make the = DCP

 

The RAW files are source footage, AE is being used by the client for = the edit (Premiere does not let you cut raw sequences). Sources files = are used throughout, so they said they could not break it into 2 or 3 = parts as load times would be just as long. They probably could have used = a better workflow – but I’m just getting what they have and = have to render it ASAP.

 

> Stephen, is there any chance you can make your client = render the file out on his end and then provide you with a huge = quicktime (12bpc log prores, perhaps) that you can use as the source for = the DCP?  

 

That’s normally what I do for clients – but in this case = they are paying me to do the render. Normally, intermediate renders I = don’t charge much if any for, but having messed with DSLR raw = files in AE, I knew it would involve effort, so my time is covered. = However, they are late, I have faster machines – I’m just = looking for speed gains at this point.

 

stephen van vuuren

336.202.4777

 

http://www.insaturnsrings.com/=

http://www.sv2dcp.com/<= /b>

http://www.sv2studios.com/<= /span>

 

A film is – or should be – more like music than like = fiction. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, = what’s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes = later.

–Stanley Kubrick

 

From:= = After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of = rendernyc
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 3:24 = PM
To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] = Optimizing a 1.5GB AE file

 

i get = that you are doign a DCP. I dont see why you cant break it in to chunks, = render an intermediate, then make the DCP

 

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 3:19 PM, <pixelbot@comcast.net> = wrote:

I've never done something = this long but I can attest that creating movies using RAW files is a = real time cruncher

 

timt 

From: "Stephen van = Vuuren" <stephen@sv2studios.com>
To: = "After Effects Mail List" <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Sent: = Tuesday, March 5, 2013 12:16:40 PM


Subject: Re: [AE] = Optimizing a 1.5GB AE file

No way to break it into chunks – this is the file assembled = from the chunks. I’m pretty sure it’s the raw files causing = the problems.

 

stephen van vuuren

336.202.4777

 

http://www.insaturnsrings.com/

http://www.sv2dcp.com/

http://www.sv2studios.com/<= o:p>

 

A film is – or should be – more like music than like = fiction. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, = what’s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes = later.

–Stanley Kubrick

 

From:= = After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of = rendernyc
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 3:08 = PM
To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] = Optimizing a 1.5GB AE file

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any chance = of breaking the project in to chunks?

 <= /o:p>

move the = seqs so that AE doesnt seem them should help load the project = faster.

 <= /o:p>

break it in = to chunks that are more easily loadable... 6 x 6 min and a 7min i thats = workign better?

 <= /o:p>

 <= /o:p>

 <= /p>

On Tue, Mar = 5, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Steve Oakley <steveo@practicali.com> = wrote:

what would = work is a 3 or 4 drive SATA array, internal. with 3TB drives, 3 HD's I'm = getting 525mb/sec. if I had 4 I'd expect 700mb/sec. cost is reasonable = again these days. I'd consider it billable. oh, stay away from toshiba = 3TB's, get hitachi's - slightly slower but at least they = work.

 <= /o:p>

S

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On Mar 5, = 2013, at 12:00 PM, Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com> = wrote:

 <= /p>

he said the raw = files are over 2.5 TB of media. The slowdown probably comes from reading = the individual files off your media storage to assemble the sequence. I = have run into this problem with sequences, but never on this scale. The = SSD wouldn't help much if you only plan on having the project file on = it. You'd need a 2.5 TB SSD. Hope the client has a couple hundred = thousand dollars on hand...

On Tue, Mar = 5, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Brian Higgins <higgins@soldesignfx.com> = wrote:

How much = media do you have?  If you're saying that the project file + media = are 1.5GB, an SSD probably won't help you that much.  My guess is = that the long load times are from AE having to process the camera raw = files into usable pixels.  Raw flexibility comes with a heavy = performance hit!

 <= /o:p>

 <= /o:p>

-bH

 <= /o:p>

On Tue, Mar = 5, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Stephen van Vuuren <stephen@sv2studios.com> = wrote:

JPG Proxies were used for the assembly/online. But render all have = been replaced with RAW for a final CC – client did that – = I’m just doing the DCP render but have to open/close the file a = number of times, save. It takes several minutes to = save.

 

I’m going to do short render test but I’m thinking of = charging the client for an SSD drive.

 

stephen van vuuren

336.202.4777

 

http://www.insaturnsrings.com/

http://www.sv2dcp.com/

http://www.sv2studios.com/<= o:p>

 

A film is – or should be – more like music than like = fiction. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, = what’s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes = later.

–Stanley Kubrick

 

From:= = After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Teddy = Gage
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 12:27 = PM


To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] Optimizing a = 1.5GB AE file

 <= /o:p>

 <= /o:p>

Jesus christ. Buy = a mainframe from IBM? Honestly the only thing I can think of is to bake = the pics from .raw to JPG = proxies. 

On Tue, Mar = 5, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Stephen van Vuuren <stephen@sv2studios.com> = wrote:

I’ve = got a client supplied AE CS6 project file that is 1.5Gb – takes an = hour and half to open. It’s a 37 minute 4K film that I’m = creating a DCP. It’s already reduced. It’s created from DSLR = pics – 2.6 TB of RAW files.

 <= /o:p>

Any under = the hood performance tweaks that might help AE handle the file better? = The render machine I have does not have a SSD unfortunately which would = help a bit with load times it appears the load is mostly checking the = 2.6 TB of RAW files.

 <= /o:p>

stephen = van vuuren

336.202.4777

 

http://www.insaturnsrings.com/

http://www.sv2dcp.com/

http://www.sv2studios.com/<= o:p>

 

A film is – or should be – more = like music than like fiction. It should be a progression of moods and = feelings. The theme, what’s behind the emotion, the meaning, all = that comes later.

–Stanley = Kubrick

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www.teddygage.com
Brooklyn

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= Sol  Design
= 312.706.5500
= higgins@soldesignfx.com
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