Return-Path: Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.16] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4994907 for ae-list@media-motion.tv; Wed, 06 Mar 2013 06:58:19 +0100 Received: from omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.88]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7ovU1l00D1u4NiLA1655BW; Wed, 06 Mar 2013 06:05:05 +0000 Received: from [10.0.1.23] ([67.171.142.191]) by omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 86541l00Q47yhjX8h655LR; Wed, 06 Mar 2013 06:05:05 +0000 From: Tim Thiessen Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--156868214 Subject: Re: [AE] editable AE text output from photoshop? Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 22:05:04 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" References: Message-Id: <8B4C7EBA-D264-4076-A639-B30AA76BD03E@comcast.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20121106; t=1362549905; bh=1+wGBaYfBvjriVPRx6PAbPtlJFpfD9bbmuFHvb6SURw=; h=Received:Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:To: Message-Id; b=sUty1mA2kFIC1onOnt6sPmYQhqsnJb8ssJ/GMJnIP8PHIDEse7Q8HCMnpr9ZfHYpG v5XNPCvwYzakO7YSnh8CxJ2VO6C0o9h9R0VIOvbvs6+XARrgu0lEGsF4XC/jzTXtUK /KLw35sngtd10d+IrDOsCENhFyq2PKMyP8sdbyTvX0CiGxNV5OooFqd780/VKES279 g22nQhVoxiWQgtwXPZyIKFaUuHdPQBVUDOtDS5KZS4ATxtnzOctAXqGIqFwT/FmQ1y IwtLXxQL5r1vfr/FoMCjvFCiPSUKi0XJoW2FoTekVN0Lo0IYoHmMyBpICKBw1taZVd oXcAiljfFr0nQ== --Apple-Mail-3--156868214 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 or the ability to re-order the render pipeline - of course could you = imagine a noobie getting a project and not understanding what the heck = is going on. tt On Mar 5, 2013, at 10:00 PM, adam mercado wrote: > I know its been said many times before but a nodal procedure to = eliminate the set-in-stone render stack would really help here. Pipe in = the effects or transforms as and when you need them. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Mar 5, 2013, at 9:43 PM, Jack Tunnicliffe wrote: >=20 >> Interesting, Tim. I had the same complaint about layer styles but = have never voiced it. Your comments really need to be considered or = addressed. >>=20 >> Jack Tunnicliffe >> Javapost Production >>=20 >> Sent from my iPhone >>=20 >> On 2013-03-05, at 9:58 PM, Tim Thiessen wrote: >>=20 >>> my problem with layer styles is render order. They render after = everything else - try stroking some live text using layer styles and = then try to use motion blur - AE applies the motion blur and then the = layer styles strokes the blurred text - it looks like A$$. I have seen = this on the air a couple of times. Layer styles just don't play well = with others. plus if you looks a the stroke layer style vs the stroked = characters inside AE, you'll see how chunky the layer styles are. >>>=20 >>> timt >>>=20 >>> On Mar 5, 2013, at 6:08 PM, adam mercado wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Whats wrong with layer styles? They're a means to an end. And they = are in AE as well, just as they are in PS. >>>>=20 >>>> how do you create your drop shadows without layer styles? 3D = lighting exclusively? >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Adam Mercado >>>> Influxx Media Production >>>> Fullerton, CA >>>>=20 >>>> Moving Images. For Business >>>> 714=B0928=B09896 >>>> http://www.influxx.com >>>> http://www.twitter.com/influxx >>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/influxx >>>> http://influxx.tumblr.com/archive >>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/influxx >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On Mar 5, 2013, at 2:13 PM, pixelbot@comcast.net wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> I like how you put that - at my last place of employment I had the = designer trained to do all his design work inside AE, not so much any = more. >>>>>=20 >>>>> tt >>>>>=20 >>>>> From: "Jim Curtis" >>>>> To: "After Effects Mail List" >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 2:08:31 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AE] editable AE text output from photoshop? >>>>>=20 >>>>> True, I'm not immune from getting "help" from the agencies. I'm = sure many of us often wish they wouldn't help so much. >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Mar 5, 2013, at 4:02 PM, pixelbot@comcast.net wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> no creating text in ae keeps you from the bad habit of having to = use layer styles, unfortunately I work with "designers" that have to = create things in photoshop and liberally dose the type with layer = styles. >>>>>=20 >>>>> tt >>>>>=20 >>>>> From: "Jim Curtis" >>>>> To: "After Effects Mail List" >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 1:57:48 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AE] editable AE text output from photoshop? >>>>>=20 >>>>> Gee, well color me embarrassed. I've been avoiding creating type = in Ps all this time. >>>>>=20 >>>>> But, there's another reason. I still think Ae is the place to do = still frame graphics with text. That's because it's so easy to change = fonts, sizes, color, etc. on a whole project when you put all them in a = single comp in Ae by selecting all the layers and then making changes to = all the text at once. >>>>>=20 >>>>> And plus, it's pretty simple to do alignments of all your text, if = they all exist in a single Comp in Ae. >>>>>=20 >>>>> I do this: Create text in Ae, where each "page" of text is one = frame in duration. All my text has a common BG that's on the lower = layers in the Comp. Export as a numbered still sequence, like PNG, and = bring those into Pr for placement. >>>>>=20 >>>>> If there are any changes, I can make them in Ae, designate those = frames as the Work Area, and re-render, over-writing the existing files. = Then the changes show up automatically in Pr. >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Mar 5, 2013, at 3:46 PM, Bruce Wainer wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Jim, >>>>>=20 >>>>> I remember it was in CS3... but that was my first version, so = beyond that I have no idea. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Bruce Wainer >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 3:44 PM, scott.aelist = wrote: >>>>> Unfortuantely it doesn't work for AI layers. >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Jim Curtis = wrote: >>>>> Ah! Me neither! How long has that been there? >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-3--156868214 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 or = the ability to re-order the render pipeline - of course could you = imagine a noobie getting a project and not understanding what the heck = is going on.

tt

On Mar 5, = 2013, at 10:00 PM, adam mercado wrote:

I know its been said many times before but a nodal procedure to = eliminate the set-in-stone render stack would really help here. Pipe in = the effects or transforms as and when you need them.



 =

On Mar 5, 2013, at 9:43 PM, Jack Tunnicliffe = wrote:

Interesting, Tim. I had the same complaint about = layer styles but have never voiced it. Your comments really need to be = considered or addressed.

Jack Tunnicliffe
Javapost = Production

Sent from my iPhone

On = 2013-03-05, at 9:58 PM, Tim Thiessen <pixelbot@comcast.net> = wrote:

my problem with layer = styles is render order. They render after everything else - try stroking = some live text using layer styles and then try to use motion blur - AE = applies the motion blur and then the layer styles strokes the blurred = text - it looks like A$$. I have seen this on the air a couple of times. = Layer styles just don't play well with others. plus if you looks a the = stroke layer style vs the stroked characters inside AE, you'll see how = chunky the layer styles = are.

timt

On Mar 5, = 2013, at 6:08 PM, adam mercado wrote:

Whats wrong with layer styles? = They're a means to an end. And they are in AE as well, just as they are = in PS.

how do you create your drop shadows without = layer styles? 3D lighting = exclusively?


On Mar 5, 2013, at 2:13 PM, pixelbot@comcast.net = wrote:

I = like how you put that - at my last place of employment I had the = designer trained to do all his design work inside AE, not so much any = more.

tt

From: "Jim Curtis" <jpcurtis@me.com>
To: "After Effects Mail = List" <AE-List@media-motion.tv>Sent: Tuesday, = March 5, 2013 2:08:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AE] editable AE = text output from photoshop?

True, I'm not immune from getting = "help" from the agencies.  I'm sure many of us often wish they = wouldn't help so much.


On Mar 5, 2013, = at 4:02 PM, pixelbot@comcast.net wrote:

no = creating text in ae keeps you from the bad habit of having to use layer = styles, unfortunately I work with "designers" that have to create things = in photoshop and liberally dose the type with layer = styles.

tt

From: "Jim Curtis" <jpcurtis@me.com>
To: "After Effects Mail = List" <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 = 1:57:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AE] editable AE = text output from photoshop?

Gee, well color me embarrassed. =  I've been avoiding creating type in Ps all this = time.

But, there's another reason.  I still = think Ae is the place to do still frame graphics with text.  That's = because it's so easy to change fonts, sizes, color, etc. on a whole = project when you put all them in a single comp in Ae by selecting all = the layers and then making changes to all the text at = once.

And plus, it's pretty simple to do = alignments of all your text, if they all exist in a single Comp in = Ae.

I do this: Create text in Ae, where each = "page" of text is one frame in duration.  All my text has a common = BG that's on the lower layers in the Comp.  Export as a numbered = still sequence, like PNG, and bring those into Pr for = placement.

If there are any changes, I can make = them in Ae, designate those frames as the Work Area, and re-render, = over-writing the existing files.  Then the changes show up = automatically in Pr.


On Mar 5, = 2013, at 3:46 PM, Bruce Wainer wrote:

Jim,

I remember it was in CS3... but that was my = first version, so beyond that I have no idea.

Bruce = Wainer


On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 3:44 PM, scott.aelist <scott.aelist@gmail.com> wrote:
Unfortuantely it doesn't work for AI layers.


On = Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Jim Curtis <jpcurtis@me.com> wrote:
Ah!  Me = neither!  How long has that been = there?

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