Return-Path: Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.32] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4994916 for ae-list@media-motion.tv; Wed, 06 Mar 2013 07:07:52 +0100 Received: from omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 854e1l0020FhH24A36Ef17; Wed, 06 Mar 2013 06:14:39 +0000 Received: from [10.0.1.23] ([67.171.142.191]) by omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 86Ee1l00747yhjX8U6EeQq; Wed, 06 Mar 2013 06:14:38 +0000 From: Tim Thiessen Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--156294751 Subject: Re: [AE] editable AE text output from photoshop? Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 22:14:38 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" References: Message-Id: <3BBDCD9E-C264-480F-9337-2720355229AE@comcast.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20121106; t=1362550479; bh=o7IVjwiqnO66ddFdbCRlvRXVSQoiiz+yIqXZbbJaBbY=; h=Received:Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:To: Message-Id; b=Yi/8HN9ZtMDKs5K6D2KEFG6LF98w053vBkfIVogg23o6GDMGn3wW2kiQQjBgs5NEE l0u9wescmR8sfE7Wni/8C//R2OLt5c1ne786ldWW8/6yrLf34JiN2ThkDBSlVxNuip dmWsdvQBPUDhSYEMLTEpk0OYC/PSv4Hd9pEjxkU2g26EnM4aCOKrui0V8DFNMiHkPf eA7AG+bH/G/T4SP+LRG6A5/gt0DP9dSIwUOiWC5YVCpl/UFrsA/DoE8qwQMEHNG3Qo mmsxsprooJLvgm9uq8ijd4aoXVTnWwkRyt1ZgZn9m+a+s83SXLtIeij7t0vSzpl2IW Kpa+s2r7XreIQ== --Apple-Mail-4--156294751 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 thanks and I agree however it may be an hard task as they (the AE team) = has to add the functionality of layer styles to be compatible with PS - = I would settle for layer styles being applied before motion blur, that = would fix 90% of the problems - the other 10% would be not being able to = apply effects after layer styles and a few layer styles - like gradient = bevels (that our designers LOVE for some reason) not being editable = inside AE. I think that layer styles is the red-headed step child in AE, = I would use them more if they played nicer with others (ever just a = little bit) timt On Mar 5, 2013, at 9:43 PM, Jack Tunnicliffe wrote: > Interesting, Tim. I had the same complaint about layer styles but have = never voiced it. Your comments really need to be considered or = addressed. >=20 > Jack Tunnicliffe > Javapost Production >=20 > Sent from my iPhone >=20 > On 2013-03-05, at 9:58 PM, Tim Thiessen wrote: >=20 >> my problem with layer styles is render order. They render after = everything else - try stroking some live text using layer styles and = then try to use motion blur - AE applies the motion blur and then the = layer styles strokes the blurred text - it looks like A$$. I have seen = this on the air a couple of times. Layer styles just don't play well = with others. plus if you looks a the stroke layer style vs the stroked = characters inside AE, you'll see how chunky the layer styles are. >>=20 >> timt >>=20 >> On Mar 5, 2013, at 6:08 PM, adam mercado wrote: >>=20 >>> Whats wrong with layer styles? They're a means to an end. And they = are in AE as well, just as they are in PS. >>>=20 >>> how do you create your drop shadows without layer styles? 3D = lighting exclusively? >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Adam Mercado >>> Influxx Media Production >>> Fullerton, CA >>>=20 >>> Moving Images. For Business >>> 714=B0928=B09896 >>> http://www.influxx.com >>> http://www.twitter.com/influxx >>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/influxx >>> http://influxx.tumblr.com/archive >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/influxx >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Mar 5, 2013, at 2:13 PM, pixelbot@comcast.net wrote: >>>=20 >>>> I like how you put that - at my last place of employment I had the = designer trained to do all his design work inside AE, not so much any = more. >>>>=20 >>>> tt >>>>=20 >>>> From: "Jim Curtis" >>>> To: "After Effects Mail List" >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 2:08:31 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AE] editable AE text output from photoshop? >>>>=20 >>>> True, I'm not immune from getting "help" from the agencies. I'm = sure many of us often wish they wouldn't help so much. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On Mar 5, 2013, at 4:02 PM, pixelbot@comcast.net wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> no creating text in ae keeps you from the bad habit of having to = use layer styles, unfortunately I work with "designers" that have to = create things in photoshop and liberally dose the type with layer = styles. >>>>=20 >>>> tt >>>>=20 >>>> From: "Jim Curtis" >>>> To: "After Effects Mail List" >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 1:57:48 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AE] editable AE text output from photoshop? >>>>=20 >>>> Gee, well color me embarrassed. I've been avoiding creating type = in Ps all this time. >>>>=20 >>>> But, there's another reason. I still think Ae is the place to do = still frame graphics with text. That's because it's so easy to change = fonts, sizes, color, etc. on a whole project when you put all them in a = single comp in Ae by selecting all the layers and then making changes to = all the text at once. >>>>=20 >>>> And plus, it's pretty simple to do alignments of all your text, if = they all exist in a single Comp in Ae. >>>>=20 >>>> I do this: Create text in Ae, where each "page" of text is one = frame in duration. All my text has a common BG that's on the lower = layers in the Comp. Export as a numbered still sequence, like PNG, and = bring those into Pr for placement. >>>>=20 >>>> If there are any changes, I can make them in Ae, designate those = frames as the Work Area, and re-render, over-writing the existing files. = Then the changes show up automatically in Pr. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On Mar 5, 2013, at 3:46 PM, Bruce Wainer wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> Jim, >>>>=20 >>>> I remember it was in CS3... but that was my first version, so = beyond that I have no idea. >>>>=20 >>>> Bruce Wainer >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 3:44 PM, scott.aelist = wrote: >>>> Unfortuantely it doesn't work for AI layers. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Jim Curtis = wrote: >>>> Ah! Me neither! How long has that been there? >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 --Apple-Mail-4--156294751 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
Interesting, Tim. I had the same complaint about layer = styles but have never voiced it. Your comments really need to be = considered or addressed.

Jack Tunnicliffe
Javapost = Production

Sent from my iPhone

On = 2013-03-05, at 9:58 PM, Tim Thiessen <pixelbot@comcast.net> = wrote:

my problem with layer = styles is render order. They render after everything else - try stroking = some live text using layer styles and then try to use motion blur - AE = applies the motion blur and then the layer styles strokes the blurred = text - it looks like A$$. I have seen this on the air a couple of times. = Layer styles just don't play well with others. plus if you looks a the = stroke layer style vs the stroked characters inside AE, you'll see how = chunky the layer styles = are.

timt

On Mar 5, = 2013, at 6:08 PM, adam mercado wrote:

Whats wrong with layer styles? They're a means to an end. And they are = in AE as well, just as they are in PS.

how do you = create your drop shadows without layer styles? 3D lighting = exclusively?


On Mar 5, 2013, at 2:13 PM, pixelbot@comcast.net = wrote:

I = like how you put that - at my last place of employment I had the = designer trained to do all his design work inside AE, not so much any = more.

tt

From: "Jim Curtis" <jpcurtis@me.com>
To: "After Effects Mail = List" <AE-List@media-motion.tv>Sent: Tuesday, = March 5, 2013 2:08:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AE] editable AE = text output from photoshop?

True, I'm not immune from getting = "help" from the agencies.  I'm sure many of us often wish they = wouldn't help so much.


On Mar 5, 2013, = at 4:02 PM, pixelbot@comcast.net wrote:

no = creating text in ae keeps you from the bad habit of having to use layer = styles, unfortunately I work with "designers" that have to create things = in photoshop and liberally dose the type with layer = styles.

tt

From: "Jim Curtis" <jpcurtis@me.com>
To: "After Effects Mail = List" <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 = 1:57:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AE] editable AE = text output from photoshop?

Gee, well color me embarrassed. =  I've been avoiding creating type in Ps all this = time.

But, there's another reason.  I still = think Ae is the place to do still frame graphics with text.  That's = because it's so easy to change fonts, sizes, color, etc. on a whole = project when you put all them in a single comp in Ae by selecting all = the layers and then making changes to all the text at = once.

And plus, it's pretty simple to do = alignments of all your text, if they all exist in a single Comp in = Ae.

I do this: Create text in Ae, where each = "page" of text is one frame in duration.  All my text has a common = BG that's on the lower layers in the Comp.  Export as a numbered = still sequence, like PNG, and bring those into Pr for = placement.

If there are any changes, I can make = them in Ae, designate those frames as the Work Area, and re-render, = over-writing the existing files.  Then the changes show up = automatically in Pr.


On Mar 5, = 2013, at 3:46 PM, Bruce Wainer wrote:

Jim,

I remember it was in CS3... but that was my = first version, so beyond that I have no idea.

Bruce = Wainer


On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 3:44 PM, scott.aelist <scott.aelist@gmail.com> wrote:
Unfortuantely it doesn't work for AI layers.


On = Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Jim Curtis <jpcurtis@me.com> wrote:
Ah!  Me = neither!  How long has that been = there?

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