Return-Path: Received: from [72.52.194.27] (HELO diamond.tritoncore.com) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4995937 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 07 Mar 2013 04:57:39 +0100 Received: from 50-0-136-16.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net ([50.0.136.16]:35344 helo=[10.0.1.40]) by diamond.tritoncore.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UDS4A-0005Ht-V5 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 06 Mar 2013 23:04:27 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Subject: Re: [AE] What? Why? Ouch! From: patrick Siemer In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 20:04:24 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <262A3A9F-98D1-4737-95F2-976B47D0EAD6@gmail.com> References: To: "After Effects Mail List" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - diamond.tritoncore.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - media-motion.tv X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - gmail.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: diamond.tritoncore.com: authenticated_id: patrick@tapeandglue.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Adobe hired the Ad agency, the Ad agency hired the Production company, = the production company hired the post house, and on it goes. there's no real way to prevent that sort of thing and if you tried it = would surely fail for some reason. =20 Not very productive to tell artists what tools they must use after = hiring them based on past work. 2 cents. patrick siemer=20 On Mar 6, 2013, at 3:20 PM, Chris Bobotis wrote: > Michael the concept behind DS was excellent and in some ways it is = still miles ahead of all others. In other ways... well you said a = mouthful ;-)=20 >=20 > Much of what was implemented at the core of DS was re-purposed in XSI = and eventually made it's way to some of the Avid products. >=20 > Avid still has not figured out what to do with DS IMHO - too afraid to = cannibalize the Composer franchise I guess - if they did it could still = be a real contender. >=20 > But then again the original plan for AE was much grander at least that = is how it was explained to me by one of the original members of the AE = team. AE was but one component in the original plan. >=20 > Cheers, > Chris > mettle.com > On 2013-03-06, at 5:57 PM, Michael Powers wrote: >=20 >> We had a DS in here replacing our Smoke....I can totally understand = not using DS ;) >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On = Behalf Of Chris Bobotis >> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 5:39 PM >> To: After Effects Mail List >> Subject: Re: [AE] What? Why? Ouch! >>=20 >> Jim we worked on the original design, packaging, motion graphics etc. = etc. for Softimage (now Avid) DS >>=20 >> We used Adobe products to create all of it. >>=20 >> Cheers, >> Chris >> mettle.com >>=20 >>=20 >> On 2013-03-06, at 5:25 PM, Jim Curtis wrote: >>=20 >>> That was my economical interpretation. She explained this Maffit = genius projected film on to falling snow, and photographed it. =20 >>>=20 >>> Sounds pretty "artsy fartsy" to me. >>>=20 >>> As for Brian Higgins' explanation about high end post houses... I = get that. They use the tools they always use. I was just thinking that = if I were running the show at Adobe, I'd prohibit their vendors from = mentioning competitors' products in connection with the work they did = for us. And I'd probably give preference in job awards to a house that = used Adobe products. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Mar 6, 2013, at 3:57 PM, Brian Maffitt wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Wait, "Artsy Fartsy"? >>>>=20 >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On=20= >>>> Behalf Of Michael Powers >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 4:25 PM >>>> To: After Effects Mail List >>>> Subject: Re: [AE] What? Why? Ouch! >>>>=20 >>>> Many years ago, when we were a linear post house, we cut a "very = big=20 >>>> NLE company's" NAB videos on Sony...I always thought that funny. >>>>=20 >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On=20= >>>> Behalf Of Jim Curtis >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 4:19 PM >>>> To: After Effects Mail List >>>> Subject: [AE] What? Why? Ouch! >>>>=20 >>>> In this month's Digital Video magazine. Article titled "Brickyard=20= >>>> Helps Animals Talk Business for Adobe" >>>>=20 >>>> "...color corrected the spot in Autodesk Lustre and composited ...=20= >>>> using Autodesk Flame." >>>>=20 >>>> I repeat, what? >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Also, in the same issue, Editor C. Clapp waxes poetic on a artsy=20 >>>> fartsy video, Called Projector Snow, by one "Brian Maffit." >>>> +---End of message---+ >>>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>>>=20 >>>> +---End of message---+ >>>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> +---End of message---+ >>>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> +---End of message---+ >>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>=20 >> Cheers, >> Chris >> Mettle.com >> Skype: Mettlecom >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> +---End of message---+ >> To unsubscribe send any message to >>=20 >> +---End of message---+ >> To unsubscribe send any message to >=20 > Cheers, > Chris > Mettle.com > Skype: Mettlecom >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to