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[50.131.59.130]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id yn7sm1079932pac.2.2013.03.06.22.36.55 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 06 Mar 2013 22:36:56 -0800 (PST) From: Phil Spitler Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5A938AD0-5816-4BA6-BFCC-F7684D91D503" Subject: Re: [AE] What? Why? Ouch! Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 22:36:54 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" References: Message-Id: <5D451070-EFF0-497E-BC3E-6C19A2712A2B@bonfirelabs.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlUTluLwArBXiTOwtcMgA58L+ZYjsegiLJzONqlsK9C4olU/6+MugvAH4IES81p4XEoM7PG --Apple-Mail=_5A938AD0-5816-4BA6-BFCC-F7684D91D503 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii We have done work for companies that make editing software and we told = them we were going to use another companies software to edit the piece = and they have been fine with that. We have also done work where we have been mandated that it had to be = done using certain software, which we (mostly) stuck too. It depends on which departments you are dealing with. Phil Phil Spitler | Creative Technologist | Bonfire Labs | t : = 415.394.8200 m : 415.571.3139 Website | Facebook | LinkedIn On Mar 6, 2013, at 8:04 PM, patrick Siemer wrote: > Adobe hired the Ad agency, the Ad agency hired the Production company, = the production company hired the post house, and on it goes. > there's no real way to prevent that sort of thing and if you tried it = would surely fail for some reason. =20 > Not very productive to tell artists what tools they must use after = hiring them based on past work. > 2 cents. > patrick siemer=20 >=20 > On Mar 6, 2013, at 3:20 PM, Chris Bobotis wrote: >=20 >> Michael the concept behind DS was excellent and in some ways it is = still miles ahead of all others. In other ways... well you said a = mouthful ;-)=20 >>=20 >> Much of what was implemented at the core of DS was re-purposed in XSI = and eventually made it's way to some of the Avid products. >>=20 >> Avid still has not figured out what to do with DS IMHO - too afraid = to cannibalize the Composer franchise I guess - if they did it could = still be a real contender. >>=20 >> But then again the original plan for AE was much grander at least = that is how it was explained to me by one of the original members of the = AE team. AE was but one component in the original plan. >>=20 >> Cheers, >> Chris >> mettle.com >> On 2013-03-06, at 5:57 PM, Michael Powers wrote: >>=20 >>> We had a DS in here replacing our Smoke....I can totally understand = not using DS ;) >>>=20 >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On = Behalf Of Chris Bobotis >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 5:39 PM >>> To: After Effects Mail List >>> Subject: Re: [AE] What? Why? Ouch! >>>=20 >>> Jim we worked on the original design, packaging, motion graphics = etc. etc. for Softimage (now Avid) DS >>>=20 >>> We used Adobe products to create all of it. >>>=20 >>> Cheers, >>> Chris >>> mettle.com >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On 2013-03-06, at 5:25 PM, Jim Curtis wrote: >>>=20 >>>> That was my economical interpretation. She explained this Maffit = genius projected film on to falling snow, and photographed it. =20 >>>>=20 >>>> Sounds pretty "artsy fartsy" to me. >>>>=20 >>>> As for Brian Higgins' explanation about high end post houses... I = get that. They use the tools they always use. I was just thinking that = if I were running the show at Adobe, I'd prohibit their vendors from = mentioning competitors' products in connection with the work they did = for us. And I'd probably give preference in job awards to a house that = used Adobe products. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On Mar 6, 2013, at 3:57 PM, Brian Maffitt wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> Wait, "Artsy Fartsy"? >>>>>=20 >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On=20= >>>>> Behalf Of Michael Powers >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 4:25 PM >>>>> To: After Effects Mail List >>>>> Subject: Re: [AE] What? Why? Ouch! >>>>>=20 >>>>> Many years ago, when we were a linear post house, we cut a "very = big=20 >>>>> NLE company's" NAB videos on Sony...I always thought that funny. >>>>>=20 >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On=20= >>>>> Behalf Of Jim Curtis >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 4:19 PM >>>>> To: After Effects Mail List >>>>> Subject: [AE] What? Why? Ouch! >>>>>=20 >>>>> In this month's Digital Video magazine. Article titled "Brickyard=20= >>>>> Helps Animals Talk Business for Adobe" >>>>>=20 >>>>> "...color corrected the spot in Autodesk Lustre and composited ...=20= >>>>> using Autodesk Flame." >>>>>=20 >>>>> I repeat, what? >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Also, in the same issue, Editor C. Clapp waxes poetic on a artsy=20= >>>>> fartsy video, Called Projector Snow, by one "Brian Maffit." >>>>> +---End of message---+ >>>>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>>>>=20 >>>>> +---End of message---+ >>>>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> +---End of message---+ >>>>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> +---End of message---+ >>>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>>=20 >>> Cheers, >>> Chris >>> Mettle.com >>> Skype: Mettlecom >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> +---End of message---+ >>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>>=20 >>> +---End of message---+ >>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>=20 >> Cheers, >> Chris >> Mettle.com >> Skype: Mettlecom >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> +---End of message---+ >> To unsubscribe send any message to >=20 >=20 > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to --Apple-Mail=_5A938AD0-5816-4BA6-BFCC-F7684D91D503 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii We = have done work for companies that make editing software and we told them = we were going to use another companies software to edit the piece and = they have been fine with that.

We have also done work = where we have been mandated that it had to be done using certain = software, which we (mostly) stuck too.

It = depends on which departments you are dealing = with.

Phil




Phil Spitler  |  Creative = Technologist   |  Bonfire Labs  |  t : = 415.394.8200  m : 415.571.3139

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On Mar 6, 2013, at 8:04 PM, patrick Siemer wrote:

Adobe = hired the Ad agency, the Ad agency hired the Production company, the = production company hired the post house, and on it goes.
there's no = real way to prevent that sort of thing and if you tried it would surely = fail for some reason.  
Not very productive to tell artists what = tools they must use after hiring them based on past work.
2 = cents.
patrick siemer

On Mar 6, 2013, at 3:20 PM, Chris = Bobotis wrote:

Michael the concept = behind DS was excellent and in some ways it is still miles ahead of all = others. In other ways... well you said a mouthful ;-) =

Much of what was implemented at the core of DS was = re-purposed in XSI and eventually made it's way to some of the Avid = products.

Avid still has = not figured out what to do with DS IMHO - too afraid to cannibalize the = Composer franchise I guess - if they did it could still be a real = contender.

But then again = the original plan for AE was much grander at least that is how it was = explained to me by one of the original members of the AE team. AE was = but one component in the original plan.

Cheers,
Chris
mettle.com
On 2013-03-06, at 5:57 PM, Michael Powers = wrote:

We had a DS in here replacing our Smoke....I can totally = understand not using DS ;)

-----Original = Message-----
From: After Effects Mail List = [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Chris = Bobotis
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 5:39 = PM
To: After Effects Mail = List
Subject: Re: [AE] What? Why? = Ouch!

Jim we worked on the original = design, packaging, motion graphics etc. etc. for Softimage (now Avid) =  DS

We used Adobe products to create = all of it.

Cheers,
Chris
mettle.com


On 2013-03-06, at 5:25 PM, Jim = Curtis wrote:

That = was my economical interpretation.  She explained this Maffit genius = projected film on to falling snow, and photographed it. =  

Sounds = pretty "artsy fartsy" to = me.

As for = Brian Higgins' explanation about high end post houses... I get that. =  They use the tools they always use.  I was just thinking that = if I were running the show at Adobe, I'd prohibit their vendors from = mentioning competitors' products in connection with the work they did = for us.  And I'd probably give preference in job awards to a house = that used Adobe = products.



On Mar = 6, 2013, at 3:57 PM, Brian Maffitt = wrote:

Wait, "Artsy = Fartsy"?

-----Original = Message-----
From: After Effects Mail List = [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On =
Behalf Of Michael = Powers
Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 = 4:25 = PM
To: After Effects Mail = List
Subject: Re: [AE] What? Why? = Ouch!

Many years ago, when we were a = linear post house, we cut a "very big =
NLE company's" NAB videos on =  Sony...I always thought that = funny.

-----Original = Message-----
From: After Effects Mail List = [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On =
Behalf Of Jim = Curtis
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 = 4:19 = PM
To: After Effects Mail = List
Subject: [AE] What? Why? = Ouch!

In this month's Digital Video = magazine.  Article titled "Brickyard =
Helps Animals Talk Business for = Adobe"

"...color corrected the spot in = Autodesk Lustre and composited ... =
using Autodesk = Flame."

I repeat, = what?


Also, in the same issue, Editor = C. Clapp waxes poetic on a artsy =
fartsy video, Called Projector = Snow, by one "Brian = Maffit."
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