Return-Path: Received: from mail-we0-f179.google.com ([74.125.82.179] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4995966 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 07 Mar 2013 07:55:54 +0100 Received: by mail-we0-f179.google.com with SMTP id p43so134090wea.38 for ; Wed, 06 Mar 2013 23:02:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:disposition-notification-to:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-tagtoolbar-keys:content-type; bh=i85gh8ykKym+GiJ3aGzW68j7x3scj7iY69S1kO0US5Y=; b=HH/8a86aEFlsNA89xbs1RvA+XjuhL7AvkH0TtJW0jWcircBxu8E6NBHbV0DffnLdsc /QvpiNwUsOleO+8yG0mZyvvlkGL78lh/LHshugK8fLJChFh4DKmBpaUzUP1OLf7GEVSC sny1GCgQVRZy3plTagh1JxcQ5CyYOIwHAbdiOduoKQqFpdfrhbHEj5bLLu4I3/AbXbaG c8/a7XfdjIDjqX6NXdispH3/9def67SRIgkSnTy5iRPcFZyeGxbzo3jJqe3bq9A/rlDt Sk8sz4GBx2/20T8i1FLNGXtwmQW1hmfSrw+vHApYcAi4GNe/zxHhrbXTtMoSCkCjzos7 +8Ng== X-Received: by 10.180.98.98 with SMTP id eh2mr30844777wib.7.1362639763957; Wed, 06 Mar 2013 23:02:43 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.1.5] (cust-233-240.on4.ontelecoms.gr. [92.118.233.240]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bs6sm708878wib.4.2013.03.06.23.02.42 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 06 Mar 2013 23:02:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <51383C05.8000300@gmail.com> Disposition-Notification-To: Evan Fotis Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2013 09:04:37 +0200 From: Evan Fotis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.17) Gecko/20080914 Lightning/0.9 Thunderbird/2.0.0.17 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] editable AE text output from photoshop? References: In-Reply-To: X-TagToolbar-Keys: D20130307090437866 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030400080808040602050107" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030400080808040602050107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit one thing i can't stand with smart objects, is that PS by default saves these files in TEMP folder and is cumbersome to relocate. On 06-Mar-13 21:09, Walter Soyka wrote: > Layer styles are a totally valid approach in Photoshop, but they do > complicate interchange with Ae. I'd love to see Photoshop take a > more�procedural, less destructive approach, but I wonder how much a > big conceptual redesign like that would upset existing users. > > If the Ae team promoted layer styles in the render order (though who > knows what this would break), or if they added effects for each layer > style and provided translation upon PSD import, that might help -- but > I think Ae and Ps have sometimes subtly different approaches that are > just plain hard to bridge. > > When animating PSDs designed elsewhere, I invariably end up doing a > bit of prep work in Ps: at a minimum, re-organizing elements in Ps, > collapsing groups into smart objects. Sometimes, I do a lot of prep > work: larger-scale re-organizatoin, more extensive use of smart > objects to contain layer styles, masks, etc., renaming the layers to > contain blending or positioning information, using the Export Layers > to Files script, and re-compositing the outputs in Ae. > > Personally, I vastly prefer to do design work in Ae rather than Ps, > even for stills. In my view, Ae's parametric/procedural approach > trumps Ps's destructive approach (smart objects, smart filters, and > layer styles notwithstanding), and I find it vastly easier to generate > new design elements from scratch in Ae. Sometimes this makes extra > work for me at the end if I need to deliver a layered PSD, but I like > the flexibility upfront. > > Basically, my rule of thumb is Ps for heavy paint work (or when > mandated by the client) and Ae for everything else, but note that I'm > posting on an After Effects list and not a Photoshop list :) > > -- > Walter Soyka > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:15 PM, scott.aelist > wrote: > > I don't understand why they don't drop Layer styles completely and > replace them with Effects. Effects are more powerful and > versatile, and photoshop users would find a smoother transition > when learning AE. > > --------------030400080808040602050107 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit one thing i can't stand with smart objects, is that PS by default saves these files in TEMP folder and is cumbersome to relocate.
On 06-Mar-13 21:09, Walter Soyka wrote:
Layer styles are a totally valid approach in Photoshop, but they do complicate interchange with Ae. I'd love to see Photoshop take a more�procedural, less destructive approach, but I wonder how much a big conceptual redesign like that would upset existing users.

If the Ae team promoted layer styles in the render order (though who knows what this would break), or if they added effects for each layer style and provided translation upon PSD import, that might help -- but I think Ae and Ps have sometimes subtly different approaches that are just plain hard to bridge.

When animating PSDs designed elsewhere, I invariably end up doing a bit of prep work in Ps: at a minimum, re-organizing elements in Ps, collapsing groups into smart objects. Sometimes, I do a lot of prep work: larger-scale re-organizatoin, more extensive use of smart objects to contain layer styles, masks, etc., renaming the layers to contain blending or positioning information, using the Export Layers to Files script, and re-compositing the outputs in Ae.

Personally, I vastly prefer to do design work in Ae rather than Ps, even for stills. In my view, Ae's parametric/procedural approach trumps Ps's destructive approach (smart objects, smart filters, and layer styles notwithstanding), and I find it vastly easier to generate new design elements from scratch in Ae. Sometimes this makes extra work for me at the end if I need to deliver a layered PSD, but I like the flexibility upfront.

Basically, my rule of thumb is Ps for heavy paint work (or when mandated by the client) and Ae for everything else, but note that I'm posting on an After Effects list and not a Photoshop list :)

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Walter Soyka

On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:15 PM, scott.aelist <scott.aelist@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't understand why they don't drop Layer styles completely and replace them with Effects. Effects are more powerful and versatile, and photoshop users would find a smoother transition when learning AE.


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