Return-Path: Received: from cri.crishdesign.com ([198.57.142.178] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4998711 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Sat, 09 Mar 2013 22:20:37 +0100 Received: from 106-72-agavebb-nm.abq.nm.agavebb.net ([199.21.106.72]:50591 helo=[192.168.0.8]) by cri.crishdesign.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UERIf-0003BQ-9K for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Sat, 09 Mar 2013 14:27:29 -0700 From: Chris Meyer Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_3B4BE37A-8742-46A0-A3EE-66E7F4AE4F24" Subject: Re: [AE] spill suppression Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 14:27:28 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" References: Message-Id: <010976BA-9436-4346-94FB-5F400B6D65E4@crishdesign.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cri.crishdesign.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - media-motion.tv X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - crishdesign.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cri.crishdesign.com: authenticated_id: chris@crishdesign.com --Apple-Mail=_3B4BE37A-8742-46A0-A3EE-66E7F4AE4F24 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Many thanks, and absolutely nothing personal, but I have a client = confidentiality issue on these particular shots that I don't want to = tread anywhere near. - Chris ________________________________________________ Chris Meyer | Crish Design http://www.crishdesign.com On Mar 9, 2013, at 12:48 PM, Andrew Embury wrote: > I'd love to have a crack at that too Chris! >=20 > Cheers.=20 >=20 > - Andrew >=20 >=20 > On 2013-03-09, at 2:13 PM, Jack Tunnicliffe wrote: >=20 >> Chris: >>=20 >> Can you send me a frame. I'd be curious if I could focus in on the = area you're talking about. Maybe a screen grab with some arrows or = pointers showing me the area as well as a frame of the original, like a = tiff. >>=20 >> Jack Tunnicliffe >> Java Post Production >> 402, 2206 Dewdney ave. >> Regina, SK >> Canada >> S4R 1H3 >> P. 306-777-0150 >> cell. 306-536-4321 >> www.javapost.ca >> ______________ >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Mar 9, 2013, at 10:36 AM, Chris Meyer = wrote: >>=20 >>> I have found the edge decontamination of Refine Matte very useful in = some situations, but not all. The two shots causing me grief this week = have 1) a large amount of spill across the bare shoulder/upper arm of an = actress, and 2) more than half way across the shirt on the back of an = actor who is turning. Unfortunately, when I increase the decontamination = range on Refine Matte, it does something very ugly to the color channel = information - what looks like a edge pixel repeat, instead of a simple = removing of color from otherwise detailed pixels that I wish to keep.=20 >>>=20 >>> - Chris >>>=20 >>> ________________________________________________ >>> Chris Meyer | Crish Design >>> http://www.crishdesign.com >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Mar 9, 2013, at 12:41 AM, Todd Kopriva wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Check out the Refine Matte effect for the motion blur color = decontamination. >>>>=20 >>>> On Friday, March 8, 2013, Chris Zwar wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> I don't know if it's technically 'spill', but motion blur is the = tricky thing to deal with when keying. If the key isn't set up well = then you can end up with footage that looks like it has a spill problem = in moving areas - actually the screen is showing through = semi-transparent regions. =20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> --=20 >>>> -------------------------------- >>>> Todd Kopriva >>>> 1510 E Alder St >>>> Seattle, WA 98122 >>>> (206)437-2296 >>>> -------------------------------- >>>> "Ultimately, all knowledge is self-knowledge." >>>> - Bruce Lee >>>=20 >>=20 --Apple-Mail=_3B4BE37A-8742-46A0-A3EE-66E7F4AE4F24 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Many = thanks, and absolutely nothing personal, but I have a client = confidentiality issue on these particular shots that I don't want to = tread anywhere near.

 - Chris

______________________________________= __________
Chris Meyer | Crish Design
http://www.crishdesign.com

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On Mar 9, 2013, at 12:48 PM, Andrew Embury wrote:

I'd love to have a crack at that too = Chris!

Cheers. 

- = Andrew


On 2013-03-09, at 2:13 PM, Jack = Tunnicliffe <jack@javapost.ca> = wrote:

Chris:

Can you send me a frame. = I'd be curious if I could focus in on the area you're talking about. = Maybe a screen grab with some arrows or pointers showing me the area as = well as a frame of the original, like a tiff.

Jack = Tunnicliffe
402, 2206 = Dewdney ave.
Regina, SK
Canada
S4R = 1H3
P. 306-777-0150
cell. 306-536-4321

On Mar 9, 2013, at 10:36 AM, Chris Meyer <chris@crishdesign.com> = wrote:

I have found the edge = decontamination of Refine Matte very useful in some situations, but not = all. The two shots causing me grief this week have 1) a large amount of = spill across the bare shoulder/upper arm of an actress, and 2) more than = half way across the shirt on the back of an actor who is turning. = Unfortunately, when I increase the decontamination range on Refine = Matte, it does something very ugly to the color channel information - = what looks like a edge pixel repeat, instead of a simple removing of = color from otherwise detailed pixels that I wish to = keep. 

 - Chris

______________________________________= __________
Chris Meyer | Crish Design
http://www.crishdesign.com

On Mar 9, 2013, at 12:41 AM, Todd Kopriva wrote:

Check out = the Refine Matte effect for the motion blur color = decontamination.

On Friday, March 8, 2013, Chris Zwar = wrote:


I don't know if it's technically 'spill', but motion blur is the tricky = thing to deal with when keying.  If the key isn't set up well then = you can end up with footage that looks like it has a spill problem in = moving areas - actually the screen is showing through semi-transparent = regions.  


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