Return-Path: Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com ([17.158.236.237] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 5007971 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 15:44:35 +0100 Received: from 66.49.40.101.nw.nuvox.net (66.49.40.101.nw.nuvox.net [66.49.40.101]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-26.01(7.0.4.26.0) 64bit (built Jul 13 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MJW00HCHXA96Z50@nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 14:51:47 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-03-19_05:2013-03-19,2013-03-19,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1302030000 definitions=main-1303190103 From: Benny Christensen MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_990AD3D3-2E1B-4DBC-830F-E5A0605FC9BE" Subject: Re: [AE] Windows to ProRes Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 09:51:45 -0500 In-reply-to: To: After Effects Mail List References: Message-id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) --Apple-Mail=_990AD3D3-2E1B-4DBC-830F-E5A0605FC9BE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 It's because the gamma in the Quicktime codec is different than the = Windows AVI or whatever. No I haven't read about the other one. Thanks. Benny Christensen Producers Playhouse Oklahoma City 405-858-0700 "One of the few good things about modern times: If you die horribly on = television, you will not have died in vain. You will have entertained = us." - Kurt Vonnegut (Cold Turkey) On Mar 19, 2013, at 9:21 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk wrote: > Ok. I guess you are saying that it might look just fine on his Mac. = The only thing I don't quite understand is I am laying down against the = actual ProRes422(LT) file for comparison and seeing the difference. > =20 > Have you heard any reviews on the converter I mentioned (the Dubon = one)? > =20 > Thanks, > Eric >=20 > On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Benny Christensen = wrote: > I understand that they are both still on the PC, but if you render to = a Mac codec or vice versa (PC) the files will have a different gamma = range. >=20 > There is more at ProVideo Coalition >=20 > = http://provideocoalition.com/search_results?cx=3D012795032280509056357%3Al= khploagxhk&ie=3DUTF-8&cof=3DFORID%3A10&q=3Dpc+mac+gamma&sa=3DSearch >=20 > Good Luck. >=20 > Benny Christensen > Producers Playhouse > Oklahoma City > 405-858-0700 >=20 > "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick = themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened." - Sir Winston = Churchill >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Mar 19, 2013, at 8:56 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk wrote: >=20 >> Benny, >> =20 >> Thanks. When I say, I see a slight color change, I'm actually = placing the output file directly on top of the base file (in my editor). = So, if I adjust opacity, I see a color change. In other words they are = both on PC in same environment. But, truth is, it's minimal and the = editor could just as easily knock it back down - however, it would take = that darn 600GB file. >> =20 >> One plugin I've not yet tried but will, is this = http://www.dubon.fr/conversion-prores422/ that I saw way down below. Of = all of them, this might be the most likely since it appears integrated = in to after effects and I can try pushing that 600GB file through. >> =20 >> I've never rendered anything from AE that was over an hour though. >> =20 >> Does anyone have comments on how well this plugin works? I didn't = really see any comments from someone who has used it. >> =20 >> Thanks ahead folks. >>=20 >> Eric >>=20 >> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Benny Christensen = wrote: >> I think that what you are seeing is the Gamma difference between PC = and Mac, but I am not a PC guy so it would be hard for me to say. >>=20 >> Benny Christensen >> Producers Playhouse >> Oklahoma City >> 405-858-0700 >>=20 >> "One of the few good things about modern times: If you die horribly = on television, you will not have died in vain. You will have entertained = us." - Kurt Vonnegut (Cold Turkey) >>=20 >> On Mar 18, 2013, at 6:44 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk wrote: >>=20 >>> I'm using a PC. What I am trying to do is do my work, convert back = to ProRes to send back to the editor guy who uses a Mac. I received a = ProRes 422(LT) file on a Mac Drive. When I use that Cinec coder, it = works but then I place it directly above my original on same editor = timeline, adjust opacity and I see the subtle difference. =20 >>>=20 >>> I suppose he could kick it back down a shade but ideally, would like = it right. I know if I render out in avi, it is perfect. >>>=20 >>> Eric >>>=20 >>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 6:14 PM, Benny Christensen = wrote: >>> Did you get the Mac version of the Pavtube HD video converter? >>>=20 >>> If so look under Settings in the Format and look forFinal Cut Pro in = the left hand column. Select it and the ProRes options appear on the = right. >>>=20 >>> You can also customize the output to the same directory or another = directory. >>>=20 >>> Benny Christensen >>> Producers Playhouse >>> Oklahoma City >>> 405-858-0700 >>>=20 >>> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no = loss of enthusiasm." - Sir Winston Churchill >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Mar 18, 2013, at 5:03 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk wrote: >>>=20 >>>> I just downloaded it and appears it does not have the ProRes = converter. Guess I misread - thought that was they key feature! :) The = other one does work, I just notice a slightly brighter image when I = place it on top of the original ProRes 422 (LT) file. >>>>=20 >>>> Darn. >>>> Eric >>>>=20 >>>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Benny Christensen = wrote: >>>> I'm not sure about color or luminance shifts because without the = converter I couldn't see the original in anything other than VLC and = that didn't play in anywhere near real time. >>>>=20 >>>> What I like is that it converts from the AVI directly to ProRes. = Most of the converters I tried would convert to h264,but not to ProRes. = I'm not sure if the windows version has the ProRes Codec since that = doesn't seem to be readily available on Windows. I work a Mac so I have = the Mac version. >>>>=20 >>>> They have a free trial version so you should try it and see if it = works for you. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Benny Christensen >>>> Producers Playhouse >>>> Oklahoma City >>>> 405-858-0700 >>>>=20 >>>> "Well, the telling of jokes is an art of its own, and it always = rises from some emotional threat. The best jokes are dangerous, and = dangerous because they are in some way truthful."- Kurt Vonnegut (Cold = Turkey) >>>>=20 >>>> On Mar 18, 2013, at 4:47 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> Hello -=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> I've been trying the Cinec converter from the other gentleman and = I notice the final product is a touch brighter. Anyone else notice = this? How well does this Pavtube one work? Is it a Windows to ProRes = converter? It says converter for Mac. I really need precision on the = coloring. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Eric >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Benny Christensen = wrote: >>>>> Along this line I have a client who has been bringing me AVI's = from AECS6 that I need to work with on my Mac. It took me weeks to find = a converter so I am sharing it. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Check out Pavtube HD Converter for Mac. $35 to convert directly to = ProRes. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Thanks. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Benny Christensen >>>>> Producers Playhouse >>>>> Oklahoma City >>>>> 405-858-0700 >>>>>=20 >>>>> "I want to stay as close to the edge as I can without going over. = Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the = center." - Kurt Vonnegut=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Mar 8, 2013, at 8:10 AM, Jim Curtis wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> This comes up occasionally, so I thought I'd repost it here (from = the Adobe Pr forum): >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> http://www.dubon.fr/conversion-prores422/ >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Free plug-in. >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> --=20 >>>>> Kirk Productions, Inc >>>>> www.kirkproductions.com >>>>> kirkproductions@gmail.com >>>>> IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ >>>>> =20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> --=20 >>>> Kirk Productions, Inc >>>> www.kirkproductions.com >>>> kirkproductions@gmail.com >>>> IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ >>>> =20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> Kirk Productions, Inc >>> www.kirkproductions.com >>> kirkproductions@gmail.com >>> IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ >>> =20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Kirk Productions, Inc >> www.kirkproductions.com >> kirkproductions@gmail.com >> IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ >> =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Kirk Productions, Inc > www.kirkproductions.com > kirkproductions@gmail.com > IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ > =20 --Apple-Mail=_990AD3D3-2E1B-4DBC-830F-E5A0605FC9BE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 It's = because the gamma in the Quicktime codec is different than the Windows = AVI or whatever.

No I haven't read about the other = one.

Thanks.

Benn= y Christensen
Producers Playhouse
Oklahoma = City
405-858-0700

"One of the = few good things about modern times: If you die horribly on television, = you will not have died in vain. You will have entertained us." - = Kurt Vonnegut (Cold = Turkey)

On Mar 19, 2013, at 9:21 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk = wrote:

Ok.  I guess you are saying that it might look = just fine on his Mac.  The only thing I don't quite understand is I = am laying down against the actual ProRes422(LT) file for comparison and = seeing the difference.
 
Have you heard any reviews on the converter I = mentioned (the Dubon = one)?
 
Thanks,
Eric

On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Benny = Christensen <bennychristensen@me.com> wrote:
I understand that they are both still on = the PC, but if you render to a Mac codec or vice versa (PC) the files = will have a different gamma range.

There is more at ProVideo = Coalition


Good = Luck.

Benny = Christensen
Producers Playhouse
Oklahoma = City
=

"Men occasionally stumble over the = truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing = ever happened." - Sir Winston Churchill
=




=

On Mar 19, 2013, at 8:56 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk = wrote:

Benny,
 
Thanks.  When = I say, I see a slight color change, I'm actually placing the output file = directly on top of the base file (in my editor).  So, if I adjust = opacity, I see a color change.  In other words they are both on PC = in same environment.  But, truth is, it's minimal and the editor = could just as easily knock it back down - however, it would take that = darn 600GB file.
 
One plugin I've not yet tried but will, is this http://www.dubon.fr/conversion-prores422/ that = I saw way down below.  Of all of them, this might be the most = likely since it appears integrated in to after effects and I can try = pushing that 600GB file through.
 
I've never rendered anything from AE that was over = an hour though.
 
Does anyone have comments on = how well this plugin works?  I didn't really see any comments from = someone who has used it.
 
Thanks ahead = folks.

Eric

On = Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Benny Christensen <bennychristensen@me.com> wrote:
I think that what you are seeing is the = Gamma difference between PC and Mac, but I am not a PC guy so it would = be hard for me to say.

Benny = Christensen
Producers Playhouse
Oklahoma = City

"One of the few good things about modern = times: If you die horribly on television, you will not have died in = vain. You will have entertained us." - Kurt Vonnegut (Cold = Turkey)

On Mar 18, 2013, at 6:44 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk = wrote:

I'm using a PC.  What I = am trying to do is do my work, convert back to ProRes to send back to = the editor guy who uses a Mac.  I received a ProRes 422(LT) file on = a Mac Drive.  When I use that Cinec coder, it works but then I = place it directly above my original on same editor timeline, adjust = opacity and I see the subtle difference.  

I suppose he could kick it back down a shade but ideally, = would like it right.  I know if I render out in avi, it is = perfect.

Eric

On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 6:14 PM, Benny Christensen = <bennychristensen@me.com> wrote:
Did you get the Mac version of the = Pavtube HD video converter?

If so look under Settings in the Format and look forFinal = Cut Pro in the left hand column. Select it and the ProRes options appear = on the right.

You can also customize the output to the same = directory or another directory.

Benny = Christensen
Producers Playhouse
Oklahoma = City
=

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to = another with no loss of enthusiasm." - Sir Winston Churchill
=


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On Mar 18, 2013, at 5:03 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk = wrote:

I just downloaded it and = appears it does not have the ProRes converter.  Guess I misread - = thought that was they key feature! :)  The other one does work, I = just notice a slightly brighter image when I place it on top of the = original ProRes 422 (LT) file.

Darn.
Eric

On = Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Benny Christensen <bennychristensen@me.com> wrote:
I'm not sure about color or luminance = shifts because without the converter I couldn't see the original in = anything other than VLC and that didn't play in anywhere near real = time.

What I like is that it converts from the AVI directly to = ProRes. Most of the converters I tried would convert to h264,but not to = ProRes.  I'm not sure if the windows version has the ProRes Codec = since that doesn't seem to be readily available on Windows. I work = a Mac so I have the Mac version.

They have a free trial version so you should try it = and see if it works for you.
=

=

Benny Christensen
Producers = Playhouse
Oklahoma City

"Well, the telling of jokes is an art of its = own, and it always rises from some emotional threat. The best jokes are = dangerous, and dangerous because they are in some way truthful."- Kurt = Vonnegut (Cold Turkey)
=

On Mar 18, 2013, at 4:47 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk = wrote:

Hello = - 

I've been trying the Cinec converter from the = other gentleman and I notice the final product is a touch brighter. =  Anyone else notice this?  How well does this Pavtube one = work?  Is it a Windows to ProRes converter?  It says converter = for Mac.  I really need precision on the coloring.

Thanks,
Eric

On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Benny Christensen = <bennychristensen@me.com> wrote:
Along this line I have a client who has = been bringing me AVI's from AECS6 that I need to work with on my Mac. It = took me weeks to find a converter so I am sharing it.

Check out Pavtube HD Converter for Mac. $35 to convert = directly to ProRes.

Thanks.
=

Benn= y Christensen
Producers Playhouse
Oklahoma = City
=
"I want to stay as close to the edge as I can without going = over. Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the = center." - Kurt Vonnegut 
=

=


On Mar 8, 2013, at 8:10 AM, Jim Curtis = wrote:

This comes up occasionally, so I thought = I'd repost it here (from the Adobe Pr forum):

=
Free = plug-in.




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