Return-Path: Received: from nm9-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com ([98.139.213.154] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with SMTP id 5016675 for ae-list@media-motion.tv; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 03:31:14 +0100 Received: from [98.139.215.142] by nm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2013 02:38:42 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.198] by tm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2013 02:38:42 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1007.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2013 02:38:42 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 552290.65104.bm@omp1007.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 8233 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Mar 2013 02:38:42 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1364438322; bh=fTOwrm9Dmc8++sOTmMYGPnMJGDPkh1q1mSi4lmBf1IA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nHrleAaDKEDX8PTgoX2NGFsd1U9RCMnCF6aGYqWaBFOfOPkmqeVvFIq1DoKkeMNvsdF2qTI/qBrZvHMqb/PjUZoS3m9hQuyIGcNJHss9l0BRdrHxUBA12uH31pVeyfD2J9Vp11OtLMQTQjog3EW813sTHEp8lv1M+1Pn1Znd9RU= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4rUgh71HDauAp97fYIMt0eiRiJVyz9HvumHJnaFwQUli2tmtMyAKLUAxNr3xKxh3DzsoEikVWilfkjCMkwYTGEJyr8j9wk7zRq9+4nus6efxw+xE91XS6/zdjl3wkTM8nYgxNBraJ5Kc4HtSwNwPRB3qUWm6sWFyKshcOIo5HmI=; X-YMail-OSG: V4I.I5cVM1l9lSZOGB6sKZxZZ5Ul7G_jcgE4GnYN2.vm2oB i_oihU.wixMn1NCCq9NHNtr_HNV4WlXqvgxnTcxnzIxuEM2g58a.SXWqR36_ N118_uBevE9kW70r0KRXM2cXQXfXJbZBzowQAmKP_LmfoFXZM_LSpv78T.0j 62TsVtGriWZf9RDNDDmdumRHRGDVO_tC1sFt65qjpTtybVJI90LzgYUtYnOY Pwrw2Si48GjJOGXpRSjnUYlWK_USPRjSa8v52aNZYPrqbZwDqgpBY1w3Ake6 qs.2kLkRhghHM7uVTuiSMT3vuk0njFdXIMoYQ3BHhFdK4FF6E9lTceg8O8jw 7dopmO1ByCoREmurxE0XvcsgX.39_xGV.0f7rdRZC9sqjUN6laBhFlztK_nc ApA2w9xYtclfPBVDeaKRGZXLCeep5xvKuangHLjwmlQY.yyfxYgoP8H.GFsR faAylccTX9TmpLoqZErRc3gYf3YOR.YV8CxS1G2FjWiHnQc6spwwQe8T.lgd EHOx_owX0oyHBzbHp445lYYKw2OT6TyvMvgzfEE1bkhORXXECBjsMwKFGEbT XP3X37rsBPMILisdS7wbuQhImcnPoWnDv5FYvfvlZ5NccIOvC45JqKx34s0M Y48QIL1lewCAdsgaQ7LpycLPQq7splnGsSAOrWpJlqQb6ASuB.Ok.Tjxg3V8 HtfyFrI9WtzuEcA_s Received: from [173.72.197.110] by web162703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 19:38:41 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,SSBkaWRuJ3QgdGhpbmsgaXQgd2FzIHBvc3NpYmxlLCBidXQgSSBub3cgaGF0ZSBBcHBsZSBtb3JlIHRoYW4gYmVmb3JlLgrCoApSaWNrIEVtZXJ5Cnd3dy5yaWNrZW1lcnkuY29tCgoKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KIEZyb206IERhdmlkIEJhdWQgPGRhdmlkLmJhdWRAZ21haWwuY29tPgpUbzogQWZ0ZXIgRWZmZWN0cyBNYWlsIExpc3QgPEFFLUxpc3RAbWVkaWEtbW90aW9uLnR2PiAKU2VudDogV2VkbmVzZGF5LCBNYXJjaCAyNywgMjAxMyAxMDoyNCBQTQpTdWJqZWN0OiBSZTogW0EBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.139.530 References: Message-ID: <1364438321.6766.YahooMailNeo@web162703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 19:38:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Reply-To: Rick Subject: Re: [AE] OT: ipad frame rate To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1395274837-861784276-1364438321=:6766" ---1395274837-861784276-1364438321=:6766 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I didn't think it was possible, but I now hate Apple more than before.=0A= =C2=A0=0ARick Emery=0Awww.rickemery.com=0A=0A=0A___________________________= _____=0A From: David Baud =0ATo: After Effects Mail L= ist =0ASent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:24 PM= =0ASubject: Re: [AE] OT: ipad frame rate=0A =0A=0AI find it interesting tha= t we are back full circle to the early time of cinematography where hand-cr= ank cameras were the norms=E2=80=A6 at least at that time you could make a = conscious decision to go faster or slower, whereas with the iPad or other d= evices, this control is given to the software/hardware to keep up with the = technology limitation ;-)=0A=0A=0ADavid Baud=0AK O S M O S =C2=A0 =C2=A0 P = R O D U C T i O N Sdavid@kosmos-productions.comwww.kosmos-productions.com= =0A=0A=0A=0AOn Mar 27, 2013, at 7:58 PM, Steve Oakley wrote:=0A=0Ayes... an= d it can be a loose 24 or 30 FPS, hence the fractional frame rates.=0A>=0A>= =0A>S=0A>=0A>=0A>On Mar 27, 2013, at 8:40 PM, Jack Tunnicliffe wrote:=0A>=0A>This is true about the frame rate dropping back from 3= 0 to 24 or 25. We were having this discussion today at our office where a c= lient shooting a documentary had several people shooting an event at night = and had several people shooting on iphones and Galaxy phones. Man, we love = these jobs where we get a bunch of mixed frame rates to deal with.=0A>>=0A>= >=0A>>I did a Google search on this but not much surfaced. It seems to me t= hat ipads and iPhones drop back to 24 fps when lighting becomes an issue an= d they need a longer exposure per frame. I'm not 100% sure about this, but = that's what I'm seeing so far on footage.=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Jack Tunnicliffe=0A= >>Java Post Production=0A>>=0A>> =0A>>=0A>>On Mar 27, 2013, at 7:06 PM, Fra= nk Felker wrote:=0A>>=0A>>I don't have an iPad, but my= iPod Touch shoots 30 fps nominally, but will drop to 24, or 25 at times, w= ithout regard to the settings.=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>frank felker=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A= >>>=0A>>>=0AOn 3/27/2013 8:59 PM, James Culbertson wrote:=0A>>>=0A>>>As I u= nderstand it iDevices don't guarantee any particular frame rate... it depen= ds upon conditions, and up to some maximum frame rate depending upon the de= vice and generation.=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>Depending upon how Premiere is han= dling them you might want to run them through AE first to standardize the c= lip frame rate to your project frame rate.=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>James=0A>>>>= =0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>On Mar 27, 2013, at 4:47 PM, Rick wrote:=0A>>>>=0A>>>>= I had a client send me 4 videos shot back-to-back with a first generation i= pad. They are lacking in any tech knowledge (I had to explain ftp to them).= =C2=A0I'm trying to work with the footage in Premiere then going into AE t= o finish it.=0A>>>>>=0A>>>>>=0A>>>>>Two clips are coming in at 24fps and tw= o are coming in 30fps. Mediainfo shows them at 24.06 and 28.86.=0A>>>>>=0A>= >>>>=0A>>>>>What is the default frame rate of the ipad? The only thing I co= uld find online is that you can change it up to 30, but I don't know if thi= s is default. =C2=A0They don't even know how to change the settings.=0A>>>>= >=0A>>>>>=0A>>>>>Thanks,=0A>>>>>=C2=A0=0A>>>>>Rick Emery=0A>>>>>www.rickeme= ry.com=0A>>>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A> ---1395274837-861784276-1364438321=:6766 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I didn't think it was= possible, but I now hate Apple more than before.
 
Rick Emery
www.rickemery.com
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Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:24 P= M
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I f= ind it interesting that we are back full circle to the early time of cinematography where han= d-crank cameras were the norms=E2=80=A6 at least at that time you could mak= e a conscious decision to go faster or slower, whereas with the iPad or oth= er devices, this control is given to the software/hardware to keep up with = the technology limitation ;-)

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On Mar 27, 2013, at 7:58 PM, Steve Oakley wrote:
yes... and it can be a loose 24 or 3= 0 FPS, hence the fractional frame rates.

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On Mar 27, 2013, at 8:40 PM, Jack Tunnicliffe <jack@javapost.ca> wrote:

This is true about the frame rate dropping back from 3= 0 to 24 or 25. We were having this discussion today at our office where a c= lient shooting a documentary had several people shooting an event at night = and had several people shooting on iphones and Galaxy phones. Man, we love = these jobs where we get a bunch of mixed frame rates to deal with.

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I did a Google search on this but not much surfaced. It seems to me that ipads and= iPhones drop back to 24 fps when lighting becomes an issue and they need a= longer exposure per frame. I'm not 100% sure about this, but that's what I= 'm seeing so far on footage.
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On Mar 27, 2013, at 7:06 PM, Frank Felker <fjfelker@gmail.com> wrote:

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As I understand it iDevices don't guarantee any particula= r=0A frame rate... it depends upon conditions, and up to some maximu= m=0A frame rate depending upon the device and generation.
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Depending upon how Premiere is ha= ndling them you might want=0A to run them through AE first to standa= rdize the clip frame rate=0A to your project frame rate.
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On Mar 27, 2013, at 4:= 47 PM, Rick wrote:
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I had a= client send me 4 videos shot back-to-back=0A with a first g= eneration ipad. They are lacking in any=0A tech knowledge (I= had to explain ftp to them).  I'm=0A trying to work wi= th the footage in Premiere then going=0A into AE to finish i= t.
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=0A <= div style=3D"font-size: 13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; ba= ckground-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">Two=0A cli= ps are coming in at 24fps and two are coming in=0A 30fps. Me= diainfo shows them at 24.06 and 28.86.
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What=0A = is the default frame rate of the ipad? The only thing I=0A = could find online is that you can change it up to 30,=0A = but I don't know if this is default.  They don't even=0A = know how to change the settings.
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