Return-Path: Received: from host23.canaca.com ([66.49.161.151] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5016730 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 04:33:52 +0100 Received: from static184-169-61-119.r.rev.accesscomm.ca ([184.169.61.119]:35850 helo=[10.0.1.5]) by host23.canaca.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UL3iJ-0001aj-DN for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 23:41:19 -0400 Subject: Re: [AE] OT: ipad frame rate References: From: Jack Tunnicliffe Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-57974B4A-5EAC-4015-AA55-0867786695C5 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B329) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:41:19 -0600 To: After Effects Mail List Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host23.canaca.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - media-motion.tv X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - javapost.ca X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: host23.canaca.com: authenticated_id: jack+javapost.ca/only user confirmed/virtual account not confirmed X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: --Apple-Mail-57974B4A-5EAC-4015-AA55-0867786695C5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Haha, well in support of Apple, or Samsung or other smartphone makers... I w= ould think most owners purchased their device to be a convenient way to have= phone, computer and camera, both still and video, all rolled into one compa= ct unit. The fact that the footage shot by these devices ever shows up in pr= ofessional, broadcast environments was not likely the inventors ultimate goa= l.=20 I think I'll try and stick with Epic and Alexa, BlackMagic and a variety of S= ony cameras all developed specifically for production and post production en= vironments. Not to say that images from portable devices won't show up in lo= w budget docs and music videos, but when they do I'll just deal with them. T= hat's what's great about sharing knowledge on a list like this. I must write up my thoughts on the new BlackMagic Cinema camera one of these= days. I found the image to be impressive on a recent commercial campaign I w= orked on. Jack Tunnicliffe Javapost Production Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-27, at 8:38 PM, Rick wrote: > I didn't think it was possible, but I now hate Apple more than before. > =20 > Rick Emery > www.rickemery.com > From: David Baud > To: After Effects Mail List =20 > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:24 PM > Subject: Re: [AE] OT: ipad frame rate >=20 > I find it interesting that we are back full circle to the early time of ci= nematography where hand-crank cameras were the norms=E2=80=A6 at least at th= at time you could make a conscious decision to go faster or slower, whereas w= ith the iPad or other devices, this control is given to the software/hardwar= e to keep up with the technology limitation ;-) >=20 > David Baud > K O S M O S P R O D U C T i O N S > david@kosmos-productions.com > www.kosmos-productions.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Mar 27, 2013, at 7:58 PM, Steve Oakley wrote: >=20 >> yes... and it can be a loose 24 or 30 FPS, hence the fractional frame rat= es. >>=20 >> S >>=20 >> On Mar 27, 2013, at 8:40 PM, Jack Tunnicliffe wrote: >>=20 >>> This is true about the frame rate dropping back from 30 to 24 or 25. We w= ere having this discussion today at our office where a client shooting a doc= umentary had several people shooting an event at night and had several peopl= e shooting on iphones and Galaxy phones. Man, we love these jobs where we ge= t a bunch of mixed frame rates to deal with. >>>=20 >>> I did a Google search on this but not much surfaced. It seems to me that= ipads and iPhones drop back to 24 fps when lighting becomes an issue and th= ey need a longer exposure per frame. I'm not 100% sure about this, but that'= s what I'm seeing so far on footage. >>>=20 >>> Jack Tunnicliffe >>> Java Post Production >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Mar 27, 2013, at 7:06 PM, Frank Felker wrote: >>>=20 >>>> I don't have an iPad, but my iPod Touch shoots 30 fps nominally, b= ut will drop to 24, or 25 at times, without regard to the settings. >>>>=20 >>>> frank felker >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On 3/27/2013 8:59 PM, James Culbertson wrote: >>>>> As I understand it iDevices don't guarantee any particular frame rate.= .. it depends upon conditions, and up to some maximum frame rate depending u= pon the device and generation. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Depending upon how Premiere is handling them you might want to run the= m through AE first to standardize the clip frame rate to your project frame r= ate. >>>>>=20 >>>>> James >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Mar 27, 2013, at 4:47 PM, Rick wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> I had a client send me 4 videos shot back-to-back with a first genera= tion ipad. They are lacking in any tech knowledge (I had to explain ftp to t= hem). I'm trying to work with the footage in Premiere then going into AE to= finish it. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Two clips are coming in at 24fps and two are coming in 30fps. Mediain= fo shows them at 24.06 and 28.86. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> What is the default frame rate of the ipad? The only thing I could fi= nd online is that you can change it up to 30, but I don't know if this is de= fault. They don't even know how to change the settings. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> Rick Emery >>>>>> www.rickemery.com >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-57974B4A-5EAC-4015-AA55-0867786695C5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Haha, well in support of Apple, or Sam= sung or other smartphone makers... I would think most owners purchased their= device to be a convenient way to have phone, computer and camera, both stil= l and video, all rolled into one compact unit. The fact that the footage sho= t by these devices ever shows up in professional, broadcast environments was= not likely the inventors ultimate goal. 

I th= ink I'll try and stick with Epic and Alexa, BlackMagic and a variety of Sony= cameras all developed specifically for production and post production envir= onments. Not to say that images from portable devices won't show up in low b= udget docs and music videos, but when they do I'll just deal with them. That= 's what's great about sharing knowledge on a list like this.

<= /div>
I must write up my thoughts on the new BlackMagic Cinema camera on= e of these days. I found the image to be impressive on a recent commercial c= ampaign I worked on.

Jack Tunnicliffe
Javapost Product= ion

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-03-27, at 8= :38 PM, Rick <a_pmb_fan@yahoo.com<= /a>> wrote:

From: David Baud <david.baud@gmail.com>
To: After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv> Sent: Wednesday, March 27= , 2013 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AE] OT: ipad frame rate

I find it interesting that we are back full circle to the early time of cinematography where hand= -crank cameras were the norms=E2=80=A6 at least at that time you could make a= conscious decision to go faster or slower, whereas with the iPad or other d= evices, this control is given to the software/hardware to keep up with the t= echnology limitation ;-)

David Baud
K O S M O S     P R O D U C T i O N S
<= /div>
david@kosmos-productions.com
<= /span>

On Mar 27, 2013, at 7:58 PM, Steve Oakley wrote:

yes... and it can be a loose 24 or 30 FPS, he= nce the fractional frame rates.

S


This is true about the frame rate dropping back from 30 to 24 or 25. W= e were having this discussion today at our office where a client shooting a d= ocumentary had several people shooting an event at night and had several peo= ple shooting on iphones and Galaxy phones. Man, we love these jobs where we g= et a bunch of mixed frame rates to deal with.

I did a Google search on this but not much surfaced. It seems to me that ipads and i= Phones drop back to 24 fps when lighting becomes an issue and they need a lo= nger exposure per frame. I'm not 100% sure about this, but that's what I'm s= eeing so far on footage.

Jack Tunnicliffe
Java Post Prod= uction

=

On Mar 27, 2013, at 7:06 PM, Frank Felker <fjfelker@gmail.com> wrote:

=20 =20 =20
I don't have an iPad, but my= iPod Touch shoots 30 fps nominally, but will drop to 24, or 25 at times, without regard to the settings.

frank felker



On 3/27/2013 8:59 PM, James Culbertson wrote:
As I understand it iDevices don't guarantee any particular frame rate... it depends upon conditions, and up to some maximum frame rate depending upon the device and generation.

Depending upon how Premiere is handling them you might want to run them through AE first to standardize the clip frame rate to your project frame rate.

James


On Mar 27, 2013, at 4:47 PM, Rick wrote:

I had a client send me 4 videos shot back-to-back with a first generation ipad. They are lacking in any tech knowledge (I had to explain ftp to them).  I'm trying to work with the footage in Premiere then going into AE to finish it.

Two clips are coming in at 24fps and two are coming in 30fps. Mediainfo shows them at 24.06 and 28.86.

What is the default frame rate of the ipad? The only thing I could find online is that you can change it up to 30, but I don't know if this is default.  They don't even know how to change the settings.

Thanks,
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