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[71.63.186.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j8sm12418257igm.9.2013.03.28.15.33.56 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 28 Mar 2013 15:33:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Carey Dissmore Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_669308B6-E197-48C3-8522-81BB480AA215" Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) Subject: Re: [AE] OT: ipad frame rate Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 17:33:55 -0500 References: To: "After Effects Mail List" In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlkPV70hx8AeFskbiavc2w+tmXJhcPEqrK3xjy44BbAp0p9+/P9V9jikCXPzr7Abkr4z2rh --Apple-Mail=_669308B6-E197-48C3-8522-81BB480AA215 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 True story from last NAB: I was on the show floor with some buddies on the last day of NAB. We = decided we wanted to shoot an impromptu interview with a staunch = IMUG/MMB supporter and had nothing to use but 3 iPhones in our pockets.=20= A quick plan was devised: Two iPhone cameras shooting the interview, a = third filling the role of stick mic.=20 We shot it. It actually looked pretty good and sounded pretty good when = reviewing the individual takes. But=85 Then I tried to sync the three up in Premiere Pro and cut them together. = Sync kept moving all over the place! Get it synced in one spot=85.drift = out somewhere else. Imagine 3 movies, from 3 different generation = iPhones, all doing the "variable" frame rate thing. It was nuts. I = probably could have fought my way through it, resyncing and cutting = constantly, or time remapping=85.or something. In the end I had more = pressing things to get done! carey On Mar 27, 2013, at 11:03 PM, Chris Meyer wrote: > "The Street will find its own uses for things." - William = Gibson/Burning Chrome >=20 > ________________________________________________ > Chris Meyer | Crish Design > http://www.crishdesign.com >=20 >=20 > On Mar 27, 2013, at 9:41 PM, James Culbertson wrote: >=20 >> I didn't know that Apple had marketed their iDevices as professional = video cameras. >>=20 >> I mean an iPhone is a cell phone right? >>=20 >> James >>=20 >>=20 >> On Mar 27, 2013, at 7:38 PM, Rick wrote: >>=20 >>> I didn't think it was possible, but I now hate Apple more than = before. >>> =20 >>> Rick Emery >>> www.rickemery.com >>> From: David Baud >>> To: After Effects Mail List =20 >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:24 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AE] OT: ipad frame rate >>>=20 >>> I find it interesting that we are back full circle to the early time = of cinematography where hand-crank cameras were the norms=85 at least at = that time you could make a conscious decision to go faster or slower, = whereas with the iPad or other devices, this control is given to the = software/hardware to keep up with the technology limitation ;-) >>>=20 >>> David Baud >>> K O S M O S P R O D U C T i O N S >>> david@kosmos-productions.com >>> www.kosmos-productions.com >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Mar 27, 2013, at 7:58 PM, Steve Oakley wrote: >>>=20 >>>> yes... and it can be a loose 24 or 30 FPS, hence the fractional = frame rates. >>>>=20 >>>> S >>>>=20 >>>> On Mar 27, 2013, at 8:40 PM, Jack Tunnicliffe = wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> This is true about the frame rate dropping back from 30 to 24 or = 25. We were having this discussion today at our office where a client = shooting a documentary had several people shooting an event at night and = had several people shooting on iphones and Galaxy phones. Man, we love = these jobs where we get a bunch of mixed frame rates to deal with. >>>>>=20 >>>>> I did a Google search on this but not much surfaced. It seems to = me that ipads and iPhones drop back to 24 fps when lighting becomes an = issue and they need a longer exposure per frame. I'm not 100% sure about = this, but that's what I'm seeing so far on footage. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Jack Tunnicliffe >>>>> Java Post Production >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Mar 27, 2013, at 7:06 PM, Frank Felker = wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> I don't have an iPad, but my iPod Touch shoots 30 fps nominally, = but will drop to 24, or 25 at times, without regard to the settings. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> frank felker >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On 3/27/2013 8:59 PM, James Culbertson wrote: >>>>>>> As I understand it iDevices don't guarantee any particular frame = rate... it depends upon conditions, and up to some maximum frame rate = depending upon the device and generation. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Depending upon how Premiere is handling them you might want to = run them through AE first to standardize the clip frame rate to your = project frame rate. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> James >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On Mar 27, 2013, at 4:47 PM, Rick wrote: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> I had a client send me 4 videos shot back-to-back with a first = generation ipad. They are lacking in any tech knowledge (I had to = explain ftp to them). I'm trying to work with the footage in Premiere = then going into AE to finish it. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Two clips are coming in at 24fps and two are coming in 30fps. = Mediainfo shows them at 24.06 and 28.86. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> What is the default frame rate of the ipad? The only thing I = could find online is that you can change it up to 30, but I don't know = if this is default. They don't even know how to change the settings. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>>> Rick Emery >>>>>>>> www.rickemery.com >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_669308B6-E197-48C3-8522-81BB480AA215 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 True = story from last NAB:

I was on the show floor with = some buddies on the last day of NAB. We decided we wanted to shoot an = impromptu interview with a staunch IMUG/MMB supporter and had nothing to = use but 3 iPhones in our pockets. 

A quick = plan was devised: Two iPhone cameras shooting the interview, a third = filling the role of stick mic. 

We shot = it. It actually looked pretty good and sounded pretty good when = reviewing the individual = takes.
But=85

Then I tried to sync = the three up in Premiere Pro and cut them together. Sync kept moving all = over the place! Get it synced in one spot=85.drift out somewhere else. = Imagine 3 movies, from 3 different generation iPhones, all doing the = "variable" frame rate thing. It was nuts. I probably could have fought = my way through it, resyncing and cutting constantly, or time = remapping=85.or something. In the end I had more pressing things to get = done!

carey

On= Mar 27, 2013, at 11:03 PM, Chris Meyer <chris@crishdesign.com> = wrote:

"The Street will find = its own uses for things." - William Gibson/Burning Chrome

______________________________________= __________
Chris Meyer | Crish Design
http://www.crishdesign.com

On Mar 27, 2013, at 9:41 PM, James Culbertson = wrote:

I didn't know that = Apple had marketed their iDevices as professional video = cameras.

I mean an iPhone is a cell phone = right?

James


On= Mar 27, 2013, at 7:38 PM, Rick wrote:

I didn't think it = was possible, but I now hate Apple more than = before.
 
=
=
From: = David Baud <david.baud@gmail.com>
= To: After Effects Mail = List <AE-List@media-motion.tv> =
Sent: Wednesday, = March 27, 2013 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AE] OT: ipad frame rate
 =

I find it interesting that we are back full circle to the early time of cinematography where = hand-crank cameras were the norms=85 at least at that time you could = make a conscious decision to go faster or slower, whereas with the iPad = or other devices, this control is given to the software/hardware to keep = up with the technology limitation ;-)

David Baud
K O S M O S     P R O D U C T i O N = S
<= /span>
david@kosmos-productions.com<= /a>

On Mar 27, 2013, at 7:58 PM, Steve Oakley wrote:

yes... and it can be = a loose 24 or 30 FPS, hence the fractional frame = rates.

S

On Mar 27, 2013, at = 8:40 PM, Jack Tunnicliffe <jack@javapost.ca> = wrote:

This is true about = the frame rate dropping back from 30 to 24 or 25. We were having this = discussion today at our office where a client shooting a documentary had = several people shooting an event at night and had several people = shooting on iphones and Galaxy phones. Man, we love these jobs where we = get a bunch of mixed frame rates to deal with.

I did = a Google search on this but not much surfaced. It seems to me that ipads = and iPhones drop back to 24 fps when lighting becomes an issue and they = need a longer exposure per frame. I'm not 100% sure about this, but = that's what I'm seeing so far on footage.

Jack = Tunnicliffe
Java Post = Production

=

On Mar 27, 2013, at 7:06 PM, Frank Felker <fjfelker@gmail.com> = wrote:

=20 =20 =20
I don't have an iPad, = but my iPod Touch shoots 30 fps nominally, but will drop to 24, or 25 at times, without regard to the settings.

frank felker



On 3/27/2013 8:59 PM, James Culbertson wrote:
As I understand it iDevices don't guarantee any particular frame rate... it depends upon conditions, and up to some maximum frame rate depending upon the device and generation.

Depending upon how Premiere is handling them you might want to run them through AE first to standardize the clip frame rate to your project frame rate.

James


On Mar 27, 2013, at 4:47 PM, Rick wrote:

I had a client send me 4 videos shot back-to-back with a first generation ipad. They are lacking in any tech knowledge (I had to explain ftp to them).  I'm trying to work with the footage in Premiere then going into AE to finish it.

Two clips are coming in at 24fps and two are coming in 30fps. Mediainfo shows them at 24.06 and 28.86.

What is the default frame rate of the ipad? The only thing I could find online is that you can change it up to 30, but I don't know if this is default.  They don't = even know how to change the settings.

Thanks,
 


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