Return-Path: Received: from co1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com ([216.32.180.184] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5030631 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 08 Apr 2013 17:50:52 +0200 Received: from mail45-co1-R.bigfish.com (10.243.78.228) by CO1EHSOBE038.bigfish.com (10.243.66.103) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 15:58:41 +0000 Received: from mail45-co1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail45-co1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD038280181 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 15:58:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:204.75.127.192;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:N1-1EXC-BM07.corp.rhalf.com;RD:mailout-hide.rhi.com;EFVD:NLI X-SpamScore: 2 X-BigFish: VPS2(zz98dI9371Ic85fh9a6kzz1f42h1fc6h1ee6h1de0h1fdah1202h1e76h1d1ah1d2ahzz177df4h17326ah18c673h1954cbh8275bh8275dhz2ei668h839hbe3he5bhf0ah1288h12a5h12bdh137ah1441h1504h1537h153bh162dh1631h1758h18e1h1946h19b5h1b0ah1bceh1155h) Received-SPF: neutral (mail45-co1: 204.75.127.192 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of rhi.com) client-ip=204.75.127.192; envelope-from=scott.tupper@rhi.com; helo=N1-1EXC-BM07.corp.rhalf.com ;rp.rhalf.com ; Received: from mail45-co1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail45-co1 (MessageSwitch) id 1365436657781158_4995; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 15:57:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CO1EHSMHS019.bigfish.com (unknown [10.243.78.241]) by mail45-co1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73DB1E00D7 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 15:57:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from N1-1EXC-BM07.corp.rhalf.com (204.75.127.192) by CO1EHSMHS019.bigfish.com (10.243.66.29) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 15:57:26 +0000 X-AuditID: 0af9124d-b7f826d0000053aa-03-5162e8e5dfcd Received: from N1-1EXC-CAS04.na.msds.rhi.com (Unknown_Domain [10.246.225.11]) by N1-1EXC-BM07.corp.rhalf.com (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id 63.10.21418.5E8E2615; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 08:57:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from N1-1EXC-MBX06N1.na.msds.rhi.com ([fe80::dcd9:cbf3:ecfa:933c]) by N1-1EXC-CAS04.na.msds.rhi.com ([fe80::d52:88a9:de4f:7ace%19]) with mapi id 14.02.0342.003; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 08:57:25 -0700 From: "Tupper, Scott (HQP)" To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] OT: Voice over booths Thread-Topic: [AE] OT: Voice over booths Thread-Index: AQHOMURkjt06QeEAUk2jRCKJ0AatMpjMgPuA Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 15:57:23 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.1.130117 x-originating-ip: [10.249.18.12] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_CD8832604F99scotttupperrhicom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: proxied X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrKIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsXC9e0ht+6zF0mBBt3vZS1uX4l3YPToenmJ LYAxissmJTUnsyy1SN8ugSuj6dB05oI/6RX7Vm9ja2B8GNHFyMEhIWAisfSsWBcjJ5ApJnHh 3nq2LkYuDiGBK4wSG29OZQFJCAmcZZTovVUCYrMJGEl8+7iVHcQWETCVOL35MDOILSygLrF6 XTcjRFxD4unODUwQtpHEuyW9YHEWARWJjk93wep5BQwk5i+YwApyA6eAtsSFZ+UgYUagG76f WgPWyiwgLnHryXwmiNsEJJbsOc8MYYtKvHz8jxXEFhXQk1jfvhuqRkFi5x6Y3lCJKYcmQ60S lDg58wkLRI24xPe+G2wTGEVnIVkxC0nLLCQtEHEdiQW7P7FB2NoSyxa+Zoaxzxx4DNVrJtHT tIQRWc0CRo5VjNJ+hrqGrhHOuk6+BuZ6yflFBXpFGYk5aUBm7iZGUOT9FPLdwdizTP8QowAH oxIP78UnSYFCrIllxZW5hxglOJiVRHhbzwKFeFMSK6tSi/Lji0pzUosPMUpzsCiJ8xoqBgUK CaQnlqRmp6YWpBbBZJk4OKUaGBmlhW/nWU+54VDJtvq94oKldvXSQkfup4rLqXJvfBX6KazC 8aHVoc6tC77v4ci3vDDrlfVTPWcf3pvP9FvDVFamu22amW5VE33qd+rM+uySPm5Vsb+N3ffC 0pqLRMxWSmQnF/HdYdrf3bv50KdezrXv9IxYrndmPDjxKPkNn+KPc0fdxOdfV2Ipzkg01GIu Kk4EAMQfxZe4AgAA Return-Path: scott.tupper@rhi.com X-OriginatorOrg: rhi.com --_000_CD8832604F99scotttupperrhicom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We have the 5'x11' booth from whisperroom with the enhanced double wall fea= ture and for 2 people it will do. We are smack dab in the middle of a 5 fl= oor office space with HVAC above us. They aren't completely isolated as you can still hear an engineer speaking = loudly to you from outside. We have the ventilation silencing system but unless you absolutely need it,= they add too much noise and as a result can't use a downward expander. I would suggest the Exterior Fan Silencer in that case, perhaps that would = help. Another issue we have is isolating low frequencies (doors banging) from the= floor traveling up into the booth. The standard mat that is provided in m= y opinion is not thick enough. I would also stray from getting too many windows unless you go bigger. We = have 2 In our booth, and you have to be careful about mic placement so as n= ot to get too many reflections. Just my 2 pennies. -scott From: Michael Powers > Reply-To: After List > Date: Thursday, April 4, 2013 7:55 AM To: After List > Subject: Re: [AE] OT: Voice over booths Our engineer recommended these solutions: http://www.seelectronics.com/reflexion-filter-pro or cheaper version http://www.seelectronics.com/project-studio-reflexion-filter From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of= Chris Meyer Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:50 PM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] OT: Voice over booths In addition to a mic's off-axis rejection, I can't put enough emphasis on t= he usefulness of a good "voice channel" mic preamp that, among other things= , has a downward expander/noise gate to kill sound in between sentences. It= takes a little bit of fiddling to set up, to make sure it's not truncating= trailing-off words or bouncing along on the noise floor, but otherwise I c= onsider it a secret weapon. But back to the original request: Are you looking at a portable sound booth= because the environment is just too noisy? Or do you merely need to tame a= not-too-bad environment, which can be done by moving equipment on the othe= r sides of walls or putting them in enclosures, a few sound deadening panel= s to knock down the liveliness of a room, and maybe a mic screen like the M= ud Guard to cut down further on off-axis noise and reflections? - Chris ________________________________________________ Chris Meyer | Crish Design http://www.crishdesign.com On Apr 3, 2013, at 8:11 AM, Jim Curtis wrote: The iso booths are good solutions for noisy environments, but not always ne= cessary. What are your VO needs, and in what kind of environment will you be recordi= ng? You might not need anything any more complicated than something like = this: http://voiceoveressentials.com/content/portaboothArticle.htm There are several versions of this concept available. And there are also several microphones that record voice very well, and rej= ect off-axis sounds, so that you don't need a perfect environment to record= in. Shure SM7 and an Electro Voice RE20 are de facto standards in radio s= tations throughout the world in rooms with computer monitors and less than = perfect acoustics. They're also dynamic mics, which mean they don't need p= hantom power, and are less prone to plosive overloads. +---End of message---+ To unsubscribe send any message to > --_000_CD8832604F99scotttupperrhicom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <2C6464149948824B9B2EDD851AB314CA@rhi.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
We have the 5'x11' booth from whisperroom with the enhanced double wal= l feature and for 2 people it will do.  We are smack dab in the middle= of a 5 floor office space with HVAC above us.
They aren't completely isolated as you can still hear an engineer spea= king loudly to you from outside.
We have the ventilation silencing system but unless you absolutely nee= d it, they add too much noise and as a result can't use a downward expander= .
I would suggest the Exterior Fan Silencer in that case, perhaps that w= ould help.
Another issue we have is isolating low frequencies (doors banging) fro= m the floor traveling up into the booth.  The standard mat that is pro= vided in my opinion is not thick enough.
I would also stray from getting too many windows unless you go bigger.=  We have 2 In our booth, and you have to be careful about mic placeme= nt so as not to get too many reflections.
Just my 2 pennies.


-scott

From: Michael Powers <MPowers@cramer.com>
Reply-To: After List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Date: Thursday, April 4, 2013 7:55 = AM
To: After List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Subject: Re: [AE] OT: Voice over bo= oths

Our engineer recommended these sol= utions:

 

http://www.seelectronics.com/reflexion-filter-p= ro 

or cheaper version

http://www.seelectronics.com/project= -studio-reflexion-filter

 

&= nbsp;

From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Chris Meyer
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:50 PM
To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] OT: Voice over booths

 

In addition to a mic's off-axis rejection, I can't p= ut enough emphasis on the usefulness of a good "voice channel" mi= c preamp that, among other things, has a downward expander/noise gate to ki= ll sound in between sentences. It takes a little bit of fiddling to set up, to make sure it's not truncating trailing-off w= ords or bouncing along on the noise floor, but otherwise I consider it a se= cret weapon.

 

But back to the original request: Are you looking at= a portable sound booth because the environment is just too noisy? Or do yo= u merely need to tame a not-too-bad environment, which can be done by movin= g equipment on the other sides of walls or putting them in enclosures, a few sound deadening panels to knock= down the liveliness of a room, and maybe a mic screen like the Mud Guard t= o cut down further on off-axis noise and reflections?

 

 - Chris


__________________________________________= ______
Chris Meyer | Crish Design
htt= p://www.crishdesign.com


 

On Apr 3, 2013, at 8:11 AM, Jim Curtis wrote:



The iso booths are good solutions for noisy environm= ents, but not always necessary.

What are your VO needs, and in what kind of environment will you be recordi= ng?   You might not need anything any more complicated than somet= hing like this:

ht= tp://voiceoveressentials.com/content/portaboothArticle.htm

There are several versions of this concept available.

And there are also several microphones that record voice very well, and rej= ect off-axis sounds, so that you don't need a perfect environment to record= in.  Shure SM7 and an Electro Voice RE20 are de facto standards in ra= dio stations throughout the world in rooms with computer monitors and less than perfect acoustics.  They'r= e also dynamic mics, which mean they don't need phantom power, and are less= prone to plosive overloads.



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