Return-Path: Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.187] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5062607 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 06 May 2013 23:10:15 +0200 Received: from [192.168.1.80] (p5798AA2B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.152.170.43]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LjPsy-1TyCBX0Hoe-00bYN8; Mon, 06 May 2013 23:18:59 +0200 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.20.0.090605 Date: Mon, 06 May 2013 23:18:58 +0200 Subject: Re: [AE] CS is DEAD From: Elliot Steele To: After List Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [AE] CS is DEAD Thread-Index: Ac5Kn1I4bi0MpKPXXEKs35p1800k1Q== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3450727139_131853429" X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:2OFTWQbWBIhdQdRGy37T6Jsmm/pkKiWzchDEgINhz27 OSh9zvLhQE+PPxzmmUGu4mzCcXR6e5QA7BocTPeDGPfO58J06M IBSowoxzs6pe5U+LhMYTFKRSus/fvnYAZMLLLqNb5koWzxgv8a ozZJm5yD8KmwX+BMksoC0wKWHJztCD7Mr7zlEIQuUJdEPQd3WU Usd2mOYzwncDz+914XPZNr+uriTd0O51nSJ29s3phOm6RDdDDF e22kTdcffFGnvY4fScLGG36JZlY97uL7dlT1Azj6MoNaSPxNrq 5vST0Cixzgof/EsmHUFpfdZ7YW0U18p4T8mUzZtO8mLT+uGr46 MAOzHuBZEmqSFwrqQ5CQ= > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3450727139_131853429 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Actually, the $49 a month version requires a 12 month commitment. To pick and choose to use it will cost you $75 a month. In Europe we are looking at $80 a month (12 months) or $117 a month (pick and choose)! The point is that if someone is going through a tough patch, they can choos= e to hold off for a while on a upgrade. Not possible with a subscription. Elliot Am 5/6/13 11:10 PM schrieb "Byron Nash" unter : > One thing that is nice is that if you are an occasional user you can choo= se to > buy a month here and there for $49 a pop. Doesn't seem to bad to me if yo= u can > manage to make money with the tools. Also, a monthly bill seems to be eas= ier > for some folks to handle than a $600 upgrade. If your business doesn't ma= ke > enough to cover $49 a month you have issues. =A0 >=20 >=20 > On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Elliot Steele wrote: >> No, that=B9s just it... >>=20 >> There is no option to buy a new perpetual license or upgrade an existing >> perpetual license. >>=20 >> Unless you switch to Creative Cloud you are stuck on CS6 forever. >>=20 >> Sucks eh? >>=20 >> Elliot >>=20 >>=20 >> Am 5/6/13 10:59 PM schrieb "James Culbertson" unter > >: >>=20 >>> But bottom line is that, whatever you want to call it, we still get the >>> choice between paying as you go or buying a perpetual license new or up= grade >>> for "CS Next" ...correct? >>>=20 >>> Thanks, >>>=20 >>> James >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On May 6, 2013, at 1:53 PM, Elliot Steele wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Re: [AE] CS is DEAD >>>> For people who are always in work and who upgrade every time a new ver= sion >>>> comes out, it makes no difference if they are upgrading the perpetual >>>> licenses or subscribing to Creative Cloud. >>>>=20 >>>> The people this will negatively impact are the ones who maybe can=B9t af= ford >>>> to upgrade every time and therefore can=B9t afford to pay $600 a year fo= r a >>>> subscription. With the current model these people could still work wit= h the >>>> version they have. Once using the cloud model, a lapse in subscription >>>> means they can=B9t work and therefore can=B9t earn the money needed to pay= for >>>> the subscription. >>>>=20 >>>> I personally like to own the licenses of my software. Some packages ne= ed a >>>> subscription to keep up to date but if I stop paying that, for whateve= r >>>> reason, the software still works. I just don=B9t get my updates. >>>>=20 >>>> I would have liked CC to have been running parallel with CS for a few >>>> versions before forcing everyone over to it. >>>>=20 >>>> Elliot >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Am 5/6/13 8:14 PM schrieb "pixelbot@comcast.net >>>> " un= ter >>>> >>>> >: >>>>=20 >>>>> CC is the new CS - discuss >>>>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >=20 >=20 --B_3450727139_131853429 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [AE] CS is DEAD Actually, the $49 a month version requires a 12 month commitment. To pick = and choose to use it will cost you $75 a month.

In Europe we are looking at $80 a month (12 months) or $117 a month (pick a= nd choose)!

The point is that if someone is going through a tough patch, they can choos= e to hold off for a while on a upgrade. Not possible with a subscription.
Elliot


Am 5/6/13 11:10 PM schrieb "Byron Nash" unter <byronnash@gmail.com>:

<= SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:11pt'>One thing that is nice is that if you are an occ= asional user you can choose to buy a month here and there for $49 a pop. Doe= sn't seem to bad to me if you can manage to make money with the tools. Also,= a monthly bill seems to be easier for some folks to handle than a $600 upgr= ade. If your business doesn't make enough to cover $49 a month you have issu= es. =A0


On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Elliot Steele <= elliot@ppdm.de> wrote:
<= SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:11pt'>No, that’s just it...

There is no option to buy a new perpetual license or upgrade an existing pe= rpetual license.

Unless you switch to Creative Cloud you are stuck on CS6 forever.

Sucks eh?

Elliot


Am 5/6/13 10:59 PM schrieb "James Culbertson" unter <albion@speakeasy.net <http://albion@speakeasy.net> >:

<= SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:11pt'>But bottom line is that, whatever you want to ca= ll it, we still get the choice between paying as you go or buying a perpetua= l license new or upgrade for "CS Next" ...correct?

Thanks,

James


On May 6, 2013, at 1:53 PM, Elliot Steele wrote:

<= SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:11pt'>Re: [AE] CS is DEAD
For people who are always in work and who upgrade every time a new version = comes out, it makes no difference if they are upgrading the perpetual licens= es or subscribing to Creative Cloud.

The people this will negatively impact are the ones who maybe can’t a= fford to upgrade every time and therefore can’t afford to pay $600 a y= ear for a subscription. With the current model these people could still work= with the version they have. Once using the cloud model, a lapse in subscrip= tion means they can’t work and therefore can’t earn the money ne= eded to pay for the subscription.

I personally like to own the licenses of my software. Some packages need a = subscription to keep up to date but if I stop paying that, for whatever reas= on, the software still works. I just don’t get my updates.

I would have liked CC to have been running parallel with CS for a few versi= ons before forcing everyone over to it.

Elliot


Am 5/6/13 8:14 PM schrieb "pixelbot@com= cast.net <http://pixelbot@comca= st.net>  <x-msg://403/pi= xelbot@comcast.net> " unter <p= ixelbot@comcast.net <http://pix= elbot@comcast.net>  <x-msg://403/pixelbot@comcast.net> >:

C= C is the new CS - discuss





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