Return-Path: Received: from mail-la0-f43.google.com ([209.85.215.43] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5062620 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 06 May 2013 23:25:55 +0200 Received: by mail-la0-f43.google.com with SMTP id ea20so3761369lab.16 for ; Mon, 06 May 2013 14:34:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=h5gEloXxK/Tu9JtSu3Pk2lopYNYMzbv3cf4h7LMr9Jw=; b=beBe6Nqpjn+psc9TAIjFDNc21bcHqcWoGl03OCoy9YNF8RSPbOwWL550jDROZQCTTT kNUR6DHfxZZ15KBee0Gh0uN3SfKvfQBld8sirtVxwdfSMMYk/+1HlUkAWOJLkZyiZp4N 7WhRXjPPqDIKmBRuZUkoliEXSuPBq/tJ/0cTm0myPCd2/LZ3vqv4HhSfkIEJdsbdo9No 1ry0e35c2YTW02rtO4Ar53UpxDXDxlXBYrFr1dtKWuCjquj1cLOKOIZdjYeFWMFa32AO BxB/oiynylTnOa5PFrjgE58tGIfwQb68Gkryk8GuJBR7qBD3ZFq32BEP+fUvsqJEha7p a9eg== X-Received: by 10.152.21.74 with SMTP id t10mr8777267lae.52.1367876079822; Mon, 06 May 2013 14:34:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.125.230 with HTTP; Mon, 6 May 2013 14:34:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Byron Nash Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 17:34:19 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] CS is DEAD To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01494164d5ad6204dc137788 --089e01494164d5ad6204dc137788 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think what I'm saying is that I think it's a fair price to pay for continued use of the latest release of the software. And, there is no upfront fee like Autodesk. If you buy one of their 3D apps you pay thousands up front and then 800-1200 bucks a year to be able to stay on the latest version. On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Elliot Steele wrote: > Actually, the $49 a month version requires a 12 month commitment. To > pick and choose to use it will cost you $75 a month. > > In Europe we are looking at $80 a month (12 months) or $117 a month (pick > and choose)! > > The point is that if someone is going through a tough patch, they can > choose to hold off for a while on a upgrade. Not possible with a > subscription. > > Elliot > > > Am 5/6/13 11:10 PM schrieb "Byron Nash" unter : > > One thing that is nice is that if you are an occasional user you can > choose to buy a month here and there for $49 a pop. Doesn't seem to bad t= o > me if you can manage to make money with the tools. Also, a monthly bill > seems to be easier for some folks to handle than a $600 upgrade. If your > business doesn't make enough to cover $49 a month you have issues. > > > On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Elliot Steele wrote: > > No, that=92s just it... > > There is no option to buy a new perpetual license or upgrade an existing > perpetual license. > > Unless you switch to Creative Cloud you are stuck on CS6 forever. > > Sucks eh? > > Elliot > > > Am 5/6/13 10:59 PM schrieb "James Culbertson" unter http://albion@speakeasy.net> >: > > But bottom line is that, whatever you want to call it, we still get the > choice between paying as you go or buying a perpetual license new or > upgrade for "CS Next" ...correct? > > Thanks, > > James > > > On May 6, 2013, at 1:53 PM, Elliot Steele wrote: > > Re: [AE] CS is DEAD > For people who are always in work and who upgrade every time a new versio= n > comes out, it makes no difference if they are upgrading the perpetual > licenses or subscribing to Creative Cloud. > > The people this will negatively impact are the ones who maybe can=92t aff= ord > to upgrade every time and therefore can=92t afford to pay $600 a year for= a > subscription. With the current model these people could still work with t= he > version they have. Once using the cloud model, a lapse in subscription > means they can=92t work and therefore can=92t earn the money needed to pa= y for > the subscription. > > I personally like to own the licenses of my software. Some packages need = a > subscription to keep up to date but if I stop paying that, for whatever > reason, the software still works. I just don=92t get my updates. > > I would have liked CC to have been running parallel with CS for a few > versions before forcing everyone over to it. > > Elliot > > > Am 5/6/13 8:14 PM schrieb "pixelbot@comcast.net < > http://pixelbot@comcast.net> " unter = < > pixelbot@comcast.net //403/pixelbot@comcast.net> >: > > CC is the new CS - discuss > > > > > > --089e01494164d5ad6204dc137788 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think what I'm saying is that I think it's a fai= r price to pay for continued use of the latest release of the software. And= , there is no upfront fee like Autodesk. If you buy one of their 3D apps yo= u pay thousands up front and then 800-1200 bucks a year to be able to stay = on the latest version.=A0


On Mon, May 6= , 2013 at 5:18 PM, Elliot Steele <elliot@ppdm.de> wrote:
Actually, the $49 a month version requires a 12 month commitment. To = pick and choose to use it will cost you $75 a month.

In Europe we are looking at $80 a month (12 months) or $117 a month (pick a= nd choose)!

The point is that if someone is going through a tough patch, they can choos= e to hold off for a while on a upgrade. Not possible with a subscription.
Elliot


Am 5/6/13 11:10 PM schrieb "Byron Nash" unter <byronnash@gmail.com>:

One thing that is nice is= that if you are an occasional user you can choose to buy a month here and = there for $49 a pop. Doesn't seem to bad to me if you can manage to mak= e money with the tools. Also, a monthly bill seems to be easier for some fo= lks to handle than a $600 upgrade. If your business doesn't make enough= to cover $49 a month you have issues. =A0


On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Elliot Steele <elliot@ppdm.de> wrote:
No, that=92s just i= t...

There is no option to buy a new perpetual license or upgrade an existing pe= rpetual license.

Unless you switch to Creative Cloud you are stuck on CS6 forever.

Sucks eh?

Elliot


Am 5/6/13 10:59 PM schrieb "James Culbertson" unter <albion@speakeasy.net= <http://albio= n@speakeasy.net> >:

But bottom line is that, = whatever you want to call it, we still get the choice between paying as you= go or buying a perpetual license new or upgrade for "CS Next" ..= .correct?

Thanks,

James


On May 6, 2013, at 1:53 PM, Elliot Steele wrote:

Re: [AE] CS is DEAD=
For people who are always in work and who upgrade every time a new version = comes out, it makes no difference if they are upgrading the perpetual licen= ses or subscribing to Creative Cloud.

The people this will negatively impact are the ones who maybe can=92t affor= d to upgrade every time and therefore can=92t afford to pay $600 a year for= a subscription. With the current model these people could still work with = the version they have. Once using the cloud model, a lapse in subscription = means they can=92t work and therefore can=92t earn the money needed to pay = for the subscription.

I personally like to own the licenses of my software. Some packages need a = subscription to keep up to date but if I stop paying that, for whatever rea= son, the software still works. I just don=92t get my updates.

I would have liked CC to have been running parallel with CS for a few versi= ons before forcing everyone over to it.

Elliot


Am 5/6/13 8:14 PM schrieb "pixelbot@comcast.net <http://pixelbot@comcast.net> =A0<x-msg= ://403/pixelbot@co= mcast.net> " unter <pixelbot@comcast.net <http://pixelbot@comcast.net> =A0<x-= msg://403/pixelbot= @comcast.net> >:

CC is the new CS - discuss






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