Return-Path: Received: from mail-qa0-f42.google.com ([209.85.216.42] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5062639 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 06 May 2013 23:34:45 +0200 Received: by mail-qa0-f42.google.com with SMTP id f11so1262559qae.1 for ; Mon, 06 May 2013 14:43:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=9Z5Sp9YL9dCYbrBgsW+PaQ0hbQ8zYbsjGuznW3fXCLo=; b=q2vMnSwGIJLZJFij8KkRRQqNq3FBa9cHqWemPlXijoKOSiYbIMdTM+/gfHvyoIAc2O NUl4yTGtSTNKEwdkAP1kyL6UspaElYvI9JEeD+HNyLGlaIsgeQQDxnqn6nHECzJSKMA+ aaLkcEjdmcc3dY11jVXoTAtHxCVJZYyg2uq5Wo77gQIdqZp1kHHBliftDU7YsjvU61Q9 JYzoSRYCReKlzu4BeYAqE4AKn9KltIFRPMjH8XOR8OUGq9oLbh00PIdBvVBN9KCRIk3i CFe91aAOOK7e/MLIfOHf13HCACqOcwaifTjHcTuibgeX6TePDkYIEFGTjuhRjn99P7Qf U2ow== X-Received: by 10.224.221.136 with SMTP id ic8mr25692214qab.17.1367876608981; Mon, 06 May 2013 14:43:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.49.95.234 with HTTP; Mon, 6 May 2013 14:42:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Teddy Gage Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 17:42:48 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] CS is DEAD To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3071d1ea60018b04dc1397c1 --20cf3071d1ea60018b04dc1397c1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Let's be honest. If you actually make a living in this industry, you are working at most 1-2 hours a month to pay for this software, and that's a personal license because I believe most of us have software provided for us at work. I know all of us waste more time than an hour a month on the clock. Hell we probably make that up in bathroom time alone. I mean seriously, I don't really understand who is complaining. I understand some of the technical issues, and people who feel cheated because of the sunk cost of buying a permanent license, but it's way better than putting down thousands up front, no matter how you feel. It would take you well over two years on cc to match the single cost of a full master suite licence. This is the way things are going, and I think it's actually MUCH friendlier to the freelancer and individuals. I pay 4x that amount per month in cellphone and internet bills, yet CC actually earns me money. my 2c -TG On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Elliot Steele wrote: > Actually, the $49 a month version requires a 12 month commitment. To > pick and choose to use it will cost you $75 a month. > > In Europe we are looking at $80 a month (12 months) or $117 a month (pick > and choose)! > > The point is that if someone is going through a tough patch, they can > choose to hold off for a while on a upgrade. Not possible with a > subscription. > > Elliot > > > Am 5/6/13 11:10 PM schrieb "Byron Nash" unter : > > One thing that is nice is that if you are an occasional user you can > choose to buy a month here and there for $49 a pop. Doesn't seem to bad t= o > me if you can manage to make money with the tools. Also, a monthly bill > seems to be easier for some folks to handle than a $600 upgrade. If your > business doesn't make enough to cover $49 a month you have issues. > > > On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Elliot Steele wrote: > > No, that=92s just it... > > There is no option to buy a new perpetual license or upgrade an existing > perpetual license. > > Unless you switch to Creative Cloud you are stuck on CS6 forever. > > Sucks eh? > > Elliot > > > Am 5/6/13 10:59 PM schrieb "James Culbertson" unter http://albion@speakeasy.net> >: > > But bottom line is that, whatever you want to call it, we still get the > choice between paying as you go or buying a perpetual license new or > upgrade for "CS Next" ...correct? > > Thanks, > > James > > > On May 6, 2013, at 1:53 PM, Elliot Steele wrote: > > Re: [AE] CS is DEAD > For people who are always in work and who upgrade every time a new versio= n > comes out, it makes no difference if they are upgrading the perpetual > licenses or subscribing to Creative Cloud. > > The people this will negatively impact are the ones who maybe can=92t aff= ord > to upgrade every time and therefore can=92t afford to pay $600 a year for= a > subscription. With the current model these people could still work with t= he > version they have. Once using the cloud model, a lapse in subscription > means they can=92t work and therefore can=92t earn the money needed to pa= y for > the subscription. > > I personally like to own the licenses of my software. Some packages need = a > subscription to keep up to date but if I stop paying that, for whatever > reason, the software still works. I just don=92t get my updates. > > I would have liked CC to have been running parallel with CS for a few > versions before forcing everyone over to it. > > Elliot > > > Am 5/6/13 8:14 PM schrieb "pixelbot@comcast.net < > http://pixelbot@comcast.net> " unter = < > pixelbot@comcast.net //403/pixelbot@comcast.net> >: > > CC is the new CS - discuss > > > > > > --=20 Animator & Editor www.teddygage.com Brooklyn --20cf3071d1ea60018b04dc1397c1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Let's be honest. If you actually make a living in= this industry, you are working at most 1-2 hours a month to pay for this s= oftware, and that's a personal license because I believe most of us hav= e software provided for us at work. I know all of us waste more time than a= n hour a month on the clock. Hell we probably make that up in bathroom time= alone. I mean seriously, I don't really understand who is complaining.= I understand some of the technical issues, and people who feel cheated bec= ause of the sunk cost of buying a permanent license, but it's way bette= r than putting down thousands up front, no matter how you feel. It would ta= ke you well over two years on cc to match the single cost of a full master = suite licence. This is the way things are going, and I think it's actua= lly MUCH friendlier to the freelancer and individuals. I pay 4x that amount= per month in cellphone and internet bills, yet CC actually earns me money.= my 2c
-TG


On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Elliot Steele <<= a href=3D"mailto:elliot@ppdm.de" target=3D"_blank">elliot@ppdm.de> wrote:
Actually, the $49 a month version requires a 12 month commitment. To = pick and choose to use it will cost you $75 a month.

In Europe we are looking at $80 a month (12 months) or $117 a month (pick a= nd choose)!

The point is that if someone is going through a tough patch, they can choos= e to hold off for a while on a upgrade. Not possible with a subscription.
Elliot


Am 5/6/13 11:10 PM schrieb "Byron Nash" unter <byronnash@gmail.com>:

One thing that is nice is= that if you are an occasional user you can choose to buy a month here and = there for $49 a pop. Doesn't seem to bad to me if you can manage to mak= e money with the tools. Also, a monthly bill seems to be easier for some fo= lks to handle than a $600 upgrade. If your business doesn't make enough= to cover $49 a month you have issues. =A0


On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Elliot Steele <elliot@ppdm.de> wrote:
No, that=92s just i= t...

There is no option to buy a new perpetual license or upgrade an existing pe= rpetual license.

Unless you switch to Creative Cloud you are stuck on CS6 forever.

Sucks eh?

Elliot


Am 5/6/13 10:59 PM schrieb "James Culbertson" unter <albion@speakeasy.net= <http://albio= n@speakeasy.net> >:

But bottom line is that, = whatever you want to call it, we still get the choice between paying as you= go or buying a perpetual license new or upgrade for "CS Next" ..= .correct?

Thanks,

James


On May 6, 2013, at 1:53 PM, Elliot Steele wrote:

Re: [AE] CS is DEAD=
For people who are always in work and who upgrade every time a new version = comes out, it makes no difference if they are upgrading the perpetual licen= ses or subscribing to Creative Cloud.

The people this will negatively impact are the ones who maybe can=92t affor= d to upgrade every time and therefore can=92t afford to pay $600 a year for= a subscription. With the current model these people could still work with = the version they have. Once using the cloud model, a lapse in subscription = means they can=92t work and therefore can=92t earn the money needed to pay = for the subscription.

I personally like to own the licenses of my software. Some packages need a = subscription to keep up to date but if I stop paying that, for whatever rea= son, the software still works. I just don=92t get my updates.

I would have liked CC to have been running parallel with CS for a few versi= ons before forcing everyone over to it.

Elliot


Am 5/6/13 8:14 PM schrieb "pixelbot@comcast.net <http://pixelbot@comcast.net> =A0<x-msg= ://403/pixelbot@co= mcast.net> " unter <pixelbot@comcast.net <http://pixelbot@comcast.net> =A0<x-= msg://403/pixelbot= @comcast.net> >:

CC is the new CS - discuss








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