Return-Path: Received: from nk11p03mm-asmtp001.mac.com ([17.158.232.236] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 5062642 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 06 May 2013 23:41:16 +0200 Received: from [192.168.1.68] ([99.152.153.100]) by nk11p03mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-26.01(7.0.4.26.0) 64bit (built Jul 13 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MME00H13CN8QL40@nk11p03mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 06 May 2013 21:49:58 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-05-06_05:2013-05-06,2013-05-06,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1302030000 definitions=main-1305060239 From: Jim Curtis MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_AE061108-D511-4B27-9C3D-52A05D06C6E0" Subject: Re: [AE] CS is DEAD Date: Mon, 06 May 2013 16:49:54 -0500 In-reply-to: To: After Effects Mail List References: Message-id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) --Apple-Mail=_AE061108-D511-4B27-9C3D-52A05D06C6E0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 What do people who have a tower and a laptop do with this new license = scheme? The "perpetual" license allowed two installs, so long as they = weren't being used simultaneously. =20 I only use CS on my laptop occasionally, when I hire myself out to a = post house or production company. So, would I need to buy a monthly = ($75) license for those occasions? Or, can I temporarily unlicense my = tower, license the laptop, and then reverse the procedure when I go back = to my home shop? If it's the former and not the latter, all of a sudden = I'm paying for two licenses when I'm only using one at a time. =20 I'm starting to have wistful memories for dongles now. I thought I'd = never say that. On May 6, 2013, at 4:42 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: > Let's be honest. If you actually make a living in this industry, you = are working at most 1-2 hours a month to pay for this software, and = that's a personal license because I believe most of us have software = provided for us at work. I know all of us waste more time than an hour a = month on the clock. Hell we probably make that up in bathroom time = alone. I mean seriously, I don't really understand who is complaining. I = understand some of the technical issues, and people who feel cheated = because of the sunk cost of buying a permanent license, but it's way = better than putting down thousands up front, no matter how you feel. It = would take you well over two years on cc to match the single cost of a = full master suite licence. This is the way things are going, and I think = it's actually MUCH friendlier to the freelancer and individuals. I pay = 4x that amount per month in cellphone and internet bills, yet CC = actually earns me money. my 2c > -TG >=20 >=20 > On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Elliot Steele wrote: > Actually, the $49 a month version requires a 12 month commitment. To = pick and choose to use it will cost you $75 a month. >=20 > In Europe we are looking at $80 a month (12 months) or $117 a month = (pick and choose)! >=20 > The point is that if someone is going through a tough patch, they can = choose to hold off for a while on a upgrade. Not possible with a = subscription. >=20 > Elliot >=20 >=20 > Am 5/6/13 11:10 PM schrieb "Byron Nash" unter : >=20 > One thing that is nice is that if you are an occasional user you can = choose to buy a month here and there for $49 a pop. Doesn't seem to bad = to me if you can manage to make money with the tools. Also, a monthly = bill seems to be easier for some folks to handle than a $600 upgrade. If = your business doesn't make enough to cover $49 a month you have issues. =20= >=20 >=20 > On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Elliot Steele wrote: > No, that=92s just it... >=20 > There is no option to buy a new perpetual license or upgrade an = existing perpetual license. >=20 > Unless you switch to Creative Cloud you are stuck on CS6 forever. >=20 > Sucks eh? >=20 > Elliot >=20 >=20 > Am 5/6/13 10:59 PM schrieb "James Culbertson" unter = >: >=20 > But bottom line is that, whatever you want to call it, we still get = the choice between paying as you go or buying a perpetual license new or = upgrade for "CS Next" ...correct? >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > James >=20 >=20 > On May 6, 2013, at 1:53 PM, Elliot Steele wrote: >=20 > Re: [AE] CS is DEAD=20 > For people who are always in work and who upgrade every time a new = version comes out, it makes no difference if they are upgrading the = perpetual licenses or subscribing to Creative Cloud. >=20 > The people this will negatively impact are the ones who maybe can=92t = afford to upgrade every time and therefore can=92t afford to pay $600 a = year for a subscription. With the current model these people could still = work with the version they have. Once using the cloud model, a lapse in = subscription means they can=92t work and therefore can=92t earn the = money needed to pay for the subscription. >=20 > I personally like to own the licenses of my software. Some packages = need a subscription to keep up to date but if I stop paying that, for = whatever reason, the software still works. I just don=92t get my = updates. >=20 > I would have liked CC to have been running parallel with CS for a few = versions before forcing everyone over to it. >=20 > Elliot >=20 >=20 > Am 5/6/13 8:14 PM schrieb "pixelbot@comcast.net = " = unter = >: >=20 > CC is the new CS - discuss >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Animator & Editor > www.teddygage.com > Brooklyn --Apple-Mail=_AE061108-D511-4B27-9C3D-52A05D06C6E0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 What = do people who have a tower and a laptop do with this new license scheme? =  The "perpetual" license allowed two installs, so long as they = weren't being used simultaneously.  

I only use = CS on my laptop occasionally, when I hire myself out to a post house or = production company.  So, would I need to buy a monthly ($75) = license for those occasions?  Or, can I temporarily unlicense my = tower, license the laptop, and then reverse the procedure when I go back = to my home shop?  If it's the former and not the latter, all of a = sudden I'm paying for two licenses when I'm only using one at a time. =  

I'm starting to have wistful memories = for dongles now.  I thought I'd never say = that.




On May 6, 2013, at 4:42 PM, Teddy Gage wrote:

Let's be honest. If you actually make a living in this = industry, you are working at most 1-2 hours a month to pay for this = software, and that's a personal license because I believe most of us = have software provided for us at work. I know all of us waste more time = than an hour a month on the clock. Hell we probably make that up in = bathroom time alone. I mean seriously, I don't really understand who is = complaining. I understand some of the technical issues, and people who = feel cheated because of the sunk cost of buying a permanent license, but = it's way better than putting down thousands up front, no matter how you = feel. It would take you well over two years on cc to match the single = cost of a full master suite licence. This is the way things are going, = and I think it's actually MUCH friendlier to the freelancer and = individuals. I pay 4x that amount per month in cellphone and internet = bills, yet CC actually earns me money. my 2c
-TG


On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Elliot Steele = <elliot@ppdm.de> wrote:
Actually, the $49 a month version requires a 12 = month commitment. To pick and choose to use it will cost you $75 a = month.

In Europe we are looking at $80 a month (12 months) or $117 a month = (pick and choose)!

The point is that if someone is going through a tough patch, they can = choose to hold off for a while on a upgrade. Not possible with a = subscription.

Elliot


Am 5/6/13 11:10 PM schrieb "Byron Nash" unter <byronnash@gmail.com>:

One thing that = is nice is that if you are an occasional user you can choose to buy a = month here and there for $49 a pop. Doesn't seem to bad to me if you can = manage to make money with the tools. Also, a monthly bill seems to be = easier for some folks to handle than a $600 upgrade. If your business = doesn't make enough to cover $49 a month you have issues.  


On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Elliot Steele <elliot@ppdm.de> = wrote:
No, = that=92s just it...

There is no option to buy a new perpetual license or upgrade an existing = perpetual license.

Unless you switch to Creative Cloud you are stuck on CS6 forever.

Sucks eh?

Elliot


Am 5/6/13 10:59 PM schrieb "James Culbertson" unter <albion@speakeasy.net <http://albion@speakeasy.net> >:

But bottom = line is that, whatever you want to call it, we still get the choice = between paying as you go or buying a perpetual license new or upgrade = for "CS Next" ...correct?

Thanks,

James


On May 6, 2013, at 1:53 PM, Elliot Steele wrote:

Re: = [AE] CS is DEAD
For people who are always in work and who upgrade every time a new = version comes out, it makes no difference if they are upgrading the = perpetual licenses or subscribing to Creative Cloud.

The people this will negatively impact are the ones who maybe can=92t = afford to upgrade every time and therefore can=92t afford to pay $600 a = year for a subscription. With the current model these people could still = work with the version they have. Once using the cloud model, a lapse in = subscription means they can=92t work and therefore can=92t earn the = money needed to pay for the subscription.

I personally like to own the licenses of my software. Some packages need = a subscription to keep up to date but if I stop paying that, for = whatever reason, the software still works. I just don=92t get my = updates.

I would have liked CC to have been running parallel with CS for a few = versions before forcing everyone over to it.

Elliot


Am 5/6/13 8:14 PM schrieb "pixelbot@comcast.net <http://pixelbot@comcast.net>  <x-msg://403/pixelbot@comcast.net> " unter <pixelbot@comcast.net <http://pixelbot@comcast.net>  <x-msg://403/pixelbot@comcast.net> >:

CC is the new CS - discuss








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