Return-Path: Received: from mail-qc0-f173.google.com ([209.85.216.173] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5062654 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 06 May 2013 23:46:01 +0200 Received: by mail-qc0-f173.google.com with SMTP id c11so565qcv.4 for ; Mon, 06 May 2013 14:54:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=TarIn5iTWJMPUWgzJVA+HEpEESaRx1UZjqhihP0EhvI=; b=BLQqETY1RVsQ3qE2zvk+HmmyCSrJD3HZDjrNAlw0af/CSAhuUsOw3W9PnypH2lEKgk dDv8x5AKqj4Tezt3PyxxMpeaDddvlNUPEsVRniogfRgToST3qlofONwEZMfNcwKWasrA kZNkO8OvP/1gF3MsezrOMfkK/5Ffj4Y/IChtvgvT8+OKmHCE4vb5FZvBwkrsvLGJyiEZ 9gVcJeAME/ll3IWKDk2fnPIrs6p7pMicWKt4w/R4FDxOk/FIxlC+vhTz7MWZgacuISZQ f46vebKwqnH2uRRpDUTGq98UDf32308T+wIwW0mUxYEkYWF3FZEsyWAui4D2tLNHBl9B eIRg== X-Received: by 10.229.179.197 with SMTP id br5mr6233735qcb.107.1367877285294; Mon, 06 May 2013 14:54:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.49.95.234 with HTTP; Mon, 6 May 2013 14:54:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Teddy Gage Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 17:54:05 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] CS is DEAD To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0160cae4afba3804dc13bf3d --089e0160cae4afba3804dc13bf3d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have this setup. works with no problem. Like you said you can have two full installs. It's basically two licenses. You just literally can't be using both at the same moment. I've never run into a problem and I use both extensively. On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Jim Curtis wrote: > What do people who have a tower and a laptop do with this new license > scheme? The "perpetual" license allowed two installs, so long as they > weren't being used simultaneously. > > I only use CS on my laptop occasionally, when I hire myself out to a post > house or production company. So, would I need to buy a monthly ($75) > license for those occasions? Or, can I temporarily unlicense my tower, > license the laptop, and then reverse the procedure when I go back to my > home shop? If it's the former and not the latter, all of a sudden I'm > paying for two licenses when I'm only using one at a time. > > I'm starting to have wistful memories for dongles now. I thought I'd > never say that. > > > > > On May 6, 2013, at 4:42 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: > > Let's be honest. If you actually make a living in this industry, you are > working at most 1-2 hours a month to pay for this software, and that's a > personal license because I believe most of us have software provided for = us > at work. I know all of us waste more time than an hour a month on the > clock. Hell we probably make that up in bathroom time alone. I mean > seriously, I don't really understand who is complaining. I understand som= e > of the technical issues, and people who feel cheated because of the sunk > cost of buying a permanent license, but it's way better than putting down > thousands up front, no matter how you feel. It would take you well over t= wo > years on cc to match the single cost of a full master suite licence. This > is the way things are going, and I think it's actually MUCH friendlier to > the freelancer and individuals. I pay 4x that amount per month in cellpho= ne > and internet bills, yet CC actually earns me money. my 2c > -TG > > > On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Elliot Steele wrote: > >> Actually, the $49 a month version requires a 12 month commitment. To >> pick and choose to use it will cost you $75 a month. >> >> In Europe we are looking at $80 a month (12 months) or $117 a month (pic= k >> and choose)! >> >> The point is that if someone is going through a tough patch, they can >> choose to hold off for a while on a upgrade. Not possible with a >> subscription. >> >> Elliot >> >> >> Am 5/6/13 11:10 PM schrieb "Byron Nash" unter : >> >> One thing that is nice is that if you are an occasional user you can >> choose to buy a month here and there for $49 a pop. Doesn't seem to bad = to >> me if you can manage to make money with the tools. Also, a monthly bill >> seems to be easier for some folks to handle than a $600 upgrade. If your >> business doesn't make enough to cover $49 a month you have issues. >> >> >> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Elliot Steele wrote: >> >> No, that=92s just it... >> >> There is no option to buy a new perpetual license or upgrade an existing >> perpetual license. >> >> Unless you switch to Creative Cloud you are stuck on CS6 forever. >> >> Sucks eh? >> >> Elliot >> >> >> Am 5/6/13 10:59 PM schrieb "James Culbertson" unter > http://albion@speakeasy.net> >: >> >> But bottom line is that, whatever you want to call it, we still get the >> choice between paying as you go or buying a perpetual license new or >> upgrade for "CS Next" ...correct? >> >> Thanks, >> >> James >> >> >> On May 6, 2013, at 1:53 PM, Elliot Steele wrote: >> >> Re: [AE] CS is DEAD >> For people who are always in work and who upgrade every time a new >> version comes out, it makes no difference if they are upgrading the >> perpetual licenses or subscribing to Creative Cloud. >> >> The people this will negatively impact are the ones who maybe can=92t >> afford to upgrade every time and therefore can=92t afford to pay $600 a = year >> for a subscription. With the current model these people could still work >> with the version they have. Once using the cloud model, a lapse in >> subscription means they can=92t work and therefore can=92t earn the mone= y >> needed to pay for the subscription. >> >> I personally like to own the licenses of my software. Some packages need >> a subscription to keep up to date but if I stop paying that, for whateve= r >> reason, the software still works. I just don=92t get my updates. >> >> I would have liked CC to have been running parallel with CS for a few >> versions before forcing everyone over to it. >> >> Elliot >> >> >> Am 5/6/13 8:14 PM schrieb "pixelbot@comcast.net < >> http://pixelbot@comcast.net> " unter >> > //403/pixelbot@comcast.net> >: >> >> CC is the new CS - discuss >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Animator & Editor > www.teddygage.com > Brooklyn > > > --=20 Animator & Editor www.teddygage.com Brooklyn --089e0160cae4afba3804dc13bf3d Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have this setup. works with no problem. Like you said yo= u can have two full installs. It's basically two licenses. You just lit= erally can't be using both at the same moment. I've never run into = a problem and I use both extensively.


On Mon,= May 6, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Jim Curtis <jpcurtis@me.com> wrote:
What do people who have a tower and a l= aptop do with this new license scheme? =A0The "perpetual" license= allowed two installs, so long as they weren't being used simultaneousl= y. =A0

I only use CS on my laptop occasionally, when I hire myself = out to a post house or production company. =A0So, would I need to buy a mon= thly ($75) license for those occasions? =A0Or, can I temporarily unlicense = my tower, license the laptop, and then reverse the procedure when I go back= to my home shop? =A0If it's the former and not the latter, all of a su= dden I'm paying for two licenses when I'm only using one at a time.= =A0

I'm starting to have wistful memories for dongles n= ow. =A0I thought I'd never say that.
<= br>



On May 6, 2013, a= t 4:42 PM, Teddy Gage wrote:

Let's be honest. If= you actually make a living in this industry, you are working at most 1-2 h= ours a month to pay for this software, and that's a personal license be= cause I believe most of us have software provided for us at work. I know al= l of us waste more time than an hour a month on the clock. Hell we probably= make that up in bathroom time alone. I mean seriously, I don't really = understand who is complaining. I understand some of the technical issues, a= nd people who feel cheated because of the sunk cost of buying a permanent l= icense, but it's way better than putting down thousands up front, no ma= tter how you feel. It would take you well over two years on cc to match the= single cost of a full master suite licence. This is the way things are goi= ng, and I think it's actually MUCH friendlier to the freelancer and ind= ividuals. I pay 4x that amount per month in cellphone and internet bills, y= et CC actually earns me money. my 2c
-TG


On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Elliot Steele <<= a href=3D"mailto:elliot@ppdm.de" target=3D"_blank">elliot@ppdm.de> wrote:
Actually, the $49 a month version requires a 12 month commitment. To = pick and choose to use it will cost you $75 a month.

In Europe we are looking at $80 a month (12 months) or $117 a month (pick a= nd choose)!

The point is that if someone is going through a tough patch, they can choos= e to hold off for a while on a upgrade. Not possible with a subscription.
Elliot


Am 5/6/13 11:10 PM schrieb "Byron Nash" unter <byronnash@gmail.com>:

One thing that is nice is that if you = are an occasional user you can choose to buy a month here and there for $49= a pop. Doesn't seem to bad to me if you can manage to make money with = the tools. Also, a monthly bill seems to be easier for some folks to handle= than a $600 upgrade. If your business doesn't make enough to cover $49= a month you have issues. =A0


On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Elliot Steele <elliot@ppdm.de> wrote:
No, that=92s just it...

There is no option to buy a new perpetual license or upgrade an existing pe= rpetual license.

Unless you switch to Creative Cloud you are stuck on CS6 forever.

Sucks eh?

Elliot


Am 5/6/13 10:59 PM schrieb "James Culbertson" unter <albion@speakeasy.net <http://alb= ion@speakeasy.net> >:

But bottom line is that, whatever you = want to call it, we still get the choice between paying as you go or buying= a perpetual license new or upgrade for "CS Next" ...correct?

Thanks,

James


On May 6, 2013, at 1:53 PM, Elliot Steele wrote:

Re: [AE] CS is DEAD
For people who are always in work and who upgrade every time a new version = comes out, it makes no difference if they are upgrading the perpetual licen= ses or subscribing to Creative Cloud.

The people this will negatively impact are the ones who maybe can=92t affor= d to upgrade every time and therefore can=92t afford to pay $600 a year for= a subscription. With the current model these people could still work with = the version they have. Once using the cloud model, a lapse in subscription = means they can=92t work and therefore can=92t earn the money needed to pay = for the subscription.

I personally like to own the licenses of my software. Some packages need a = subscription to keep up to date but if I stop paying that, for whatever rea= son, the software still works. I just don=92t get my updates.

I would have liked CC to have been running parallel with CS for a few versi= ons before forcing everyone over to it.

Elliot


Am 5/6/13 8:14 PM schrieb "pixelbot@comcast.net <http://pixelbot@comcast.net> =A0<x-m= sg://403/pixelbot@comcast.net> " unter <pixelbot@comcast.net <http://pixelbot@comc= ast.net> =A0<x-msg://403/pixelbot@comcast.net> >:
CC is the new CS - discuss








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