Return-Path: Received: from mail-qe0-f50.google.com ([209.85.128.50] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5062651 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 06 May 2013 23:47:49 +0200 Received: by mail-qe0-f50.google.com with SMTP id k5so2420439qej.9 for ; Mon, 06 May 2013 14:56:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=BZ165ByLdH37QewGY99Hc4VfX7ZRvsV2EPJXLKgEit0=; b=PNsWRTjVe4LIQtAGtezm1R39CbTIcOhr3ElJR2aXYBnZVpDEDPl4PlOO337p9yd+pl ilv4W3Fi9NTpSwFab2ZxPdGLlvddUfZ6Qi2QyEh64z+TCzwTKzK08WDNDZZFaLaKCL6v IkmqogOupgIupWn6LYeM7pB532TVMx9+3/PLfDj4oTQL8M6WOZiV9jB4EUK1FHK/jPil UHSUCHRcWnNjX7BZStUuaIjC77V1MfJnfqAtgWUBwJMhHl0MO8QyQ8iI+gjBgI97pDdp hMVrW+C0dN0eb+47izbl2DfIQ0TcYMjlR903RnzW+3Ox5qIYsRVJMPrj29+/ZCl1s9C+ tysw== X-Received: by 10.49.71.138 with SMTP id v10mr6017542qeu.12.1367877393223; Mon, 06 May 2013 14:56:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.49.95.234 with HTTP; Mon, 6 May 2013 14:55:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Teddy Gage Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 17:55:53 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] CS is DEAD To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b5db8141ea27504dc13c624 --047d7b5db8141ea27504dc13c624 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable in fact, now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure I've run AE on both machines at the same time with no problem. It is also easy to de-authorize a machine On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: > I have this setup. works with no problem. Like you said you can have two > full installs. It's basically two licenses. You just literally can't be > using both at the same moment. I've never run into a problem and I use bo= th > extensively. > > > On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Jim Curtis wrote: > >> What do people who have a tower and a laptop do with this new license >> scheme? The "perpetual" license allowed two installs, so long as they >> weren't being used simultaneously. >> >> I only use CS on my laptop occasionally, when I hire myself out to a pos= t >> house or production company. So, would I need to buy a monthly ($75) >> license for those occasions? Or, can I temporarily unlicense my tower, >> license the laptop, and then reverse the procedure when I go back to my >> home shop? If it's the former and not the latter, all of a sudden I'm >> paying for two licenses when I'm only using one at a time. >> >> I'm starting to have wistful memories for dongles now. I thought I'd >> never say that. >> >> >> >> >> On May 6, 2013, at 4:42 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: >> >> Let's be honest. If you actually make a living in this industry, you are >> working at most 1-2 hours a month to pay for this software, and that's a >> personal license because I believe most of us have software provided for= us >> at work. I know all of us waste more time than an hour a month on the >> clock. Hell we probably make that up in bathroom time alone. I mean >> seriously, I don't really understand who is complaining. I understand so= me >> of the technical issues, and people who feel cheated because of the sunk >> cost of buying a permanent license, but it's way better than putting dow= n >> thousands up front, no matter how you feel. It would take you well over = two >> years on cc to match the single cost of a full master suite licence. Thi= s >> is the way things are going, and I think it's actually MUCH friendlier t= o >> the freelancer and individuals. I pay 4x that amount per month in cellph= one >> and internet bills, yet CC actually earns me money. my 2c >> -TG >> >> >> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Elliot Steele wrote: >> >>> Actually, the $49 a month version requires a 12 month commitment. To >>> pick and choose to use it will cost you $75 a month. >>> >>> In Europe we are looking at $80 a month (12 months) or $117 a month >>> (pick and choose)! >>> >>> The point is that if someone is going through a tough patch, they can >>> choose to hold off for a while on a upgrade. Not possible with a >>> subscription. >>> >>> Elliot >>> >>> >>> Am 5/6/13 11:10 PM schrieb "Byron Nash" unter : >>> >>> One thing that is nice is that if you are an occasional user you can >>> choose to buy a month here and there for $49 a pop. Doesn't seem to bad= to >>> me if you can manage to make money with the tools. Also, a monthly bill >>> seems to be easier for some folks to handle than a $600 upgrade. If you= r >>> business doesn't make enough to cover $49 a month you have issues. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Elliot Steele wrote: >>> >>> No, that=92s just it... >>> >>> There is no option to buy a new perpetual license or upgrade an existin= g >>> perpetual license. >>> >>> Unless you switch to Creative Cloud you are stuck on CS6 forever. >>> >>> Sucks eh? >>> >>> Elliot >>> >>> >>> Am 5/6/13 10:59 PM schrieb "James Culbertson" unter < >>> albion@speakeasy.net >: >>> >>> But bottom line is that, whatever you want to call it, we still get the >>> choice between paying as you go or buying a perpetual license new or >>> upgrade for "CS Next" ...correct? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> James >>> >>> >>> On May 6, 2013, at 1:53 PM, Elliot Steele wrote: >>> >>> Re: [AE] CS is DEAD >>> For people who are always in work and who upgrade every time a new >>> version comes out, it makes no difference if they are upgrading the >>> perpetual licenses or subscribing to Creative Cloud. >>> >>> The people this will negatively impact are the ones who maybe can=92t >>> afford to upgrade every time and therefore can=92t afford to pay $600 a= year >>> for a subscription. With the current model these people could still wor= k >>> with the version they have. Once using the cloud model, a lapse in >>> subscription means they can=92t work and therefore can=92t earn the mon= ey >>> needed to pay for the subscription. >>> >>> I personally like to own the licenses of my software. Some packages nee= d >>> a subscription to keep up to date but if I stop paying that, for whatev= er >>> reason, the software still works. I just don=92t get my updates. >>> >>> I would have liked CC to have been running parallel with CS for a few >>> versions before forcing everyone over to it. >>> >>> Elliot >>> >>> >>> Am 5/6/13 8:14 PM schrieb "pixelbot@comcast.net < >>> http://pixelbot@comcast.net> " >>> unter >> //403/pixelbot@comcast.net> >: >>> >>> CC is the new CS - discuss >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Animator & Editor >> www.teddygage.com >> Brooklyn >> >> >> > > > -- > Animator & Editor > www.teddygage.com > Brooklyn > --=20 Animator & Editor www.teddygage.com Brooklyn --047d7b5db8141ea27504dc13c624 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
in fact, now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure I&= #39;ve run AE on both machines at the same time with no problem. It is also= easy to de-authorize a machine

On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Teddy Gage <t= eddygage@gmail.com> wrote:
I have this setup. works with no problem. Like you said yo= u can have two full installs. It's basically two licenses. You just lit= erally can't be using both at the same moment. I've never run into = a problem and I use both extensively.

On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Jim Curtis= <jpcurtis@me.com> wrote:
What do people who have a tower and a l= aptop do with this new license scheme? =A0The "perpetual" license= allowed two installs, so long as they weren't being used simultaneousl= y. =A0

I only use CS on my laptop occasionally, when I hire myself = out to a post house or production company. =A0So, would I need to buy a mon= thly ($75) license for those occasions? =A0Or, can I temporarily unlicense = my tower, license the laptop, and then reverse the procedure when I go back= to my home shop? =A0If it's the former and not the latter, all of a su= dden I'm paying for two licenses when I'm only using one at a time.= =A0

I'm starting to have wistful memories for dongles n= ow. =A0I thought I'd never say that.




On May 6, 2013, at 4:42 PM, Te= ddy Gage wrote:

Let's be honest. If= you actually make a living in this industry, you are working at most 1-2 h= ours a month to pay for this software, and that's a personal license be= cause I believe most of us have software provided for us at work. I know al= l of us waste more time than an hour a month on the clock. Hell we probably= make that up in bathroom time alone. I mean seriously, I don't really = understand who is complaining. I understand some of the technical issues, a= nd people who feel cheated because of the sunk cost of buying a permanent l= icense, but it's way better than putting down thousands up front, no ma= tter how you feel. It would take you well over two years on cc to match the= single cost of a full master suite licence. This is the way things are goi= ng, and I think it's actually MUCH friendlier to the freelancer and ind= ividuals. I pay 4x that amount per month in cellphone and internet bills, y= et CC actually earns me money. my 2c
-TG


On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Elliot Steele <<= a href=3D"mailto:elliot@ppdm.de" target=3D"_blank">elliot@ppdm.de> wrote:
Actually, the $49 a month version requires a 12 month commitment. To = pick and choose to use it will cost you $75 a month.

In Europe we are looking at $80 a month (12 months) or $117 a month (pick a= nd choose)!

The point is that if someone is going through a tough patch, they can choos= e to hold off for a while on a upgrade. Not possible with a subscription.
Elliot


Am 5/6/13 11:10 PM schrieb "Byron Nash" unter <byronnash@gmail.com>:

One thing that is nice is that if you = are an occasional user you can choose to buy a month here and there for $49= a pop. Doesn't seem to bad to me if you can manage to make money with = the tools. Also, a monthly bill seems to be easier for some folks to handle= than a $600 upgrade. If your business doesn't make enough to cover $49= a month you have issues. =A0


On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Elliot Steele <elliot@ppdm.de> wrote:
No, that=92s just it...

There is no option to buy a new perpetual license or upgrade an existing pe= rpetual license.

Unless you switch to Creative Cloud you are stuck on CS6 forever.

Sucks eh?

Elliot


Am 5/6/13 10:59 PM schrieb "James Culbertson" unter <albion@speakeasy.net <http://alb= ion@speakeasy.net> >:

But bottom line is that, whatever you = want to call it, we still get the choice between paying as you go or buying= a perpetual license new or upgrade for "CS Next" ...correct?

Thanks,

James


On May 6, 2013, at 1:53 PM, Elliot Steele wrote:

Re: [AE] CS is DEAD
For people who are always in work and who upgrade every time a new version = comes out, it makes no difference if they are upgrading the perpetual licen= ses or subscribing to Creative Cloud.

The people this will negatively impact are the ones who maybe can=92t affor= d to upgrade every time and therefore can=92t afford to pay $600 a year for= a subscription. With the current model these people could still work with = the version they have. Once using the cloud model, a lapse in subscription = means they can=92t work and therefore can=92t earn the money needed to pay = for the subscription.

I personally like to own the licenses of my software. Some packages need a = subscription to keep up to date but if I stop paying that, for whatever rea= son, the software still works. I just don=92t get my updates.

I would have liked CC to have been running parallel with CS for a few versi= ons before forcing everyone over to it.

Elliot


Am 5/6/13 8:14 PM schrieb "pixelbot@comcast.net <http://pixelbot@comcast.net> =A0<x-m= sg://403/pixelbot@comcast.net> " unter <pixelbot@comcast.net <http://pixelbot@comc= ast.net> =A0<x-msg://403/pixelbot@comcast.net> >:
CC is the new CS - discuss








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