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(torno@sydefxink.com@75.51.169.28) by 0 with ESMTPA; 7 May 2013 16:13:09 -0000 Subject: Re: [AE] Subject: RE: [AE] CS is DEAD References: From: David Torno Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-52C666DC-5FBF-4269-AA74-2B2D4E8B8D11 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <86F2CFC3-BF60-473D-B2B3-304B3C6D9112@sydefxink.com> Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 09:13:06 -0700 To: After Effects Mail List Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) --Apple-Mail-52C666DC-5FBF-4269-AA74-2B2D4E8B8D11 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Agreed, I only grab After Effects so I can keep up on scripting compatibilit= y. David Torno Visual Effects Artist & Supervisor http://www.ghosttownmedia.com O: 213.739.2290 C: 818.391.6060 --------------------- http://www.sydefxink.com http://aeioweyou.blogspot.com http://mactex.blogspot.com "The most useless day is that in which we do not laugh" -Charles Field On May 7, 2013, at 8:48 AM, simhoff@aol.com wrote: > I paid $430.05 for the CS6 Production Premium Upgrade. The Cloud version w= ould be $600.00 a year for all of the software. CC would be a great bargain i= f you need some of the other programs in the Suite or if you are buying for t= he first time, but it's not that great a deal for those of us on the upgrade= path. > Also... 2-3 years of CC monthly payments still equals out to much less tha= n buying into the full Creative Suite Perpetual license software right now..= . plus you aren't having to save up that huge chunk of money, and instead ca= n treat it like a utility. >=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Balint > To: After Effects Mail List > Sent: Tue, May 7, 2013 11:02 am > Subject: Re: [AE] Subject: RE: [AE] CS is DEAD >=20 > Split topic... but I'll reply..=20 >=20 > The "activate periodically" is about as intrusive as your OS checking to s= ee if there are any updates.. honesty.. on my PC i don't even see a dialogue= asking me to check for activation... it just does it..=20 >=20 > also.. Todd and others on the AE team have said, point blank, that older v= ersions of any software released on CC will always be available..=20 >=20 > For instance.. say I'm working on a huge project that will be done in 3 mo= nths, and the new version of AE CC comes out.. I can opt not to download i= t or install it.. or I can download and install it along side the current ve= rsion I'm using, and have both versions functional.. so I can start playing w= ith the new features without worrying whether or not my old projects will st= ill work the same way in the new AE version..=20 >=20 > 5 years down the road, that older version would still be available, (for s= ome reason) , and still accessible to download and run via CC..=20 >=20 > Also, the world is ever changing.. DSL has sort of hit its peak and been d= eclining in a lot of major areas, and will trickle down to other areas withi= n the next few years. >=20 > Already cable is offering speeds that are much faster, and fiber is becomi= ng more readily available.. Heck.. Mobile phones can reach faster speeds tha= n most people's at home connections sometimes.. you don't think that pipe wi= ll eventually fill up with desktop traffic? I don't have a T3 line at home, b= ut I do have a Fiber Optic 250Mbps upload and download connection at home a= s a utility that I pay about $120 a month for.. no limits... I do understan= d that limits are a burden, but you have to decide whether that's something y= ou want to deal with when you enroll with an ISP. and alot your bandwidth ac= cordingly. I know I'm in a gifted spot right now, in terms of ISP availabil= ity, but it's beginning to happen in more and more places. >=20 > I'm just a lowly at-home freelancer, who sometimes has to make things stre= tch from month to month when no work is coming in.. but $50 for CC and $100 f= or Internet are considered staple utilities to me.. right up there with the l= ight bill or food on the table.. They definitely aren't the first bill to go= late if I can't afford something, and $150/month is easily made by even a s= mall project. >=20 > I'm not trying to convince you to change your mind or anything.. I just wa= nted to clarify the situation a bit, as people's emotions about the change-o= ver tend to cloud their view on what's actually going down, and what our fut= ure looks like as an industry. >=20 >=20 > Also... 2-3 years of CC monthly payments still equals out to much less tha= n buying into the full Creative Suite Perpetual license software right now..= . plus you aren't having to save up that huge chunk of money, and instead ca= n treat it like a utility. >=20 >=20 >=20 >> N. B. Carroll Tuesday, May 07, 20= 13 5:34 AM >> "Activate periodically" =3D "as soon as we issue a new version, your old s= /w stops working."=20 >>=20 >> It will be a cold day in a very warm place.=20 >>=20 >> I've been an Adobe customer since 1992. I no longer own any s/w versions t= hat qualify me for upgrades. Apparently that will remain so.=20 >>=20 >> Cloud, schmoud.=20 >>=20 >> And as to why someone wouldn't want to d/l gigabytye-plus installers: eve= r heard of data limits? Ever heard of DSL?=20 >>=20 >> I just love people who assume that everyone's got megabucks in disposable= income and is sitting on a T3 connection. Such arrogance.=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> +---End of message---+=20 >> To unsubscribe send any message to =20 --Apple-Mail-52C666DC-5FBF-4269-AA74-2B2D4E8B8D11 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Agreed, I only grab After E= ffects so I can keep up on scripting compatibility.

David Torno
V= isual Effects Artist & Supervisor
O: 213.739.2290
C: 818.391.6060
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http://aeioweyou.blogspot.com
"The most useless day is that in which we do not laugh"
-Charles Field

On May 7, 2013, at 8:48 AM, simhoff@aol.com wrote:

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I paid $430.05 for the CS6 Pro= duction Premium Upgrade. The Cloud version would be $600.00 a year for all o= f the software. CC would be a great bargain if you need some of the other pr= ograms in the Suite or if you are buying for the first time, but it's not th= at great a deal for those of us on the upgrade path.
Also.= .. 2-3 years of CC monthly payments still equals out to much less=20 than buying into the full Creative Suite Perpetual license software=20 right now... plus you aren't having to save up that huge chunk of money, and instead can treat it like a utility.



-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Balint <delrazorae= list@gmail.com>
To: After Effects Mail List <A= E-List@media-motion.tv>
Sent: Tue, May 7, 2013 11:02 am
Subject: Re: [AE] Subject: RE: [AE] CS is DEAD

Split to= pic... but I'll=20 reply..

The "activate periodically" is about as intrusive as your OS checking to see if there are any updates.. honesty.. on my PC i don't even see a=20 dialogue asking me to check for activation... it just does it..

also.. Todd and others on the AE team have said, point blank, that older versions of any software released on CC will always be available..

For instance.. say I'm working on a huge project that will be done in 3=20 months, and the new version of AE CC comes out..   I can opt not t= o=20 download it or install it.. or I can download and install it along side=20 the current version I'm using, and have both versions functional.. so I=20 can start playing with the new features without worrying whether or not=20 my old projects will still work the same way in the new AE version..

5 years down the road, that older version would still be available, (for some reason) , and still accessible to download and run via CC..

Also, the world is ever changing.. DSL has sort of hit its peak and been declining in a lot of major areas, and will trickle down to other areas within the next few years.

Already cable is offering speeds that are much faster, and fiber is=20 becoming more readily available.. Heck.. Mobile phones can reach faster=20 speeds than most people's at home connections sometimes.. you don't=20 think that pipe will eventually fill up with desktop traffic? I don't=20 have a T3 line at home, but I do have a Fiber Optic 250Mbps  upload and= =20 download connection at home as a utility that I pay about $120 a month=20 for.. no limits...  I do understand that limits are a burden, but you=20= have to decide whether that's something you want to deal with when you=20 enroll with an ISP. and alot your bandwidth accordingly.  I know I'm in= a gifted spot right now, in terms of ISP availability, but it's beginning to happen in more and more places.

I'm just a lowly at-home freelancer, who sometimes has to make things=20 stretch from month to month when no work is coming in.. but $50 for CC=20 and $100 for Internet are considered staple utilities to me.. right up=20 there with the light bill or food on the table.. They definitely aren't=20 the first bill to go late if I can't afford something, and $150/month is easily made by even a small project.

I'm not trying to convince you to change your mind or anything.. I just=20 wanted to clarify the situation a bit, as people's emotions about the=20 change-over tend to cloud their view on what's actually going down, and=20 what our future looks like as an industry.


Also... 2-3 years of CC monthly payments still equals out to much less=20 than buying into the full Creative Suite Perpetual license software=20 right now... plus you aren't having to save up that huge chunk of money, and instead can treat it like a utility.



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"Activate periodically" =3D "as=20 soon as we issue a new version, your old=20 s/w stops working."

It will be a cold day in a very warm place.

I've been an Adobe customer since 1992. I no longer own any s/w=20 versions that qualify me for upgrades. Apparently that will remain so.

Cloud, schmoud.

And as to why someone wouldn't want to d/l gigabytye-plus=20 installers:=20 ever heard of data limits? Ever heard of DSL?

I just love people who assume that everyone's got megabucks in=20 disposable income and is sitting on a T3 connection. Such arrogance.


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