Subject: Re: [AE] CS is DEAD
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From: Ogburri <ogburri@gmail.com>
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Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 18:57:35 +0200
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Hi,

I totally agree with your point of view.

What puzzles me is to read all those little people who hurry to advocate the=
 cloud like missionaries preaching the gospel of a new pagan crusade (used t=
o be the Sun, now it's the...Cloud).

I hope for them that they will be properly rewarded by the Corporation to pu=
t aside all common sense...

In Switzerland, where I do live when not traveling abroad, first year was th=
e equivalent of $42 with the CS6 upgrade discount CS6 and then $65 for now o=
n with an one year commitment.

Knowing that I prefer to use the regular US language and that Swiss Sales Ta=
x  is very low, i really don't know how they can justify such a price differ=
ence.

I'm pretty sure that some of the above-mentioned apologetics will be willing=
 to indulge to receive a good grade from the Big A...

See U Later...


Envoy=C3=A9 de mon iPhone

Le 7 mai 2013 =C3=A0 17:58, Dann Stubbs <dann@darkskydigital.com> a =C3=A9cr=
it :

> someone tell me if i am wrong in my math
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> before i could pay $400 to upgrade my desired app of say photoshop - usual=
ly i could get two years before adobe released a new version (say i only use=
 photoshop like probably 95% of the market)
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> now i have to pay $49 x12 months ($600) every year - even if all i want an=
d use is photoshop?
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> sure it is a better value for those who need and want to use every single a=
dobe app ever made - but most probably don't in the real world. this essenti=
ally forces all users to pay for all those other adobe apps they don't want a=
nd have never needed to buy. pretty shrewd really.
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> i see it as adobe had near complete saturation in the market with some seg=
ments of their apps - and the apps are so good and so complete they are real=
ly struggling to find worthwhile features to put in to make that huge market=
 justify paying to upgrade - adobe needs that upgrade income to keep feeding=
 the large beast it has become.
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> probably the largest saturation is photoshop and illustrator for example -=
 so now they will essentially force everyone who only wants or uses these tw=
o apps to have all their other apps as well
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> so your $200 cost per year (averaged every two year upgrade) for photoshop=
 now just turned into $600 per year AND if you stop paying you will lose acc=
ess to your data in those native formats. imagine if in the next version of p=
hotoshop the format changes to make it not backward compatible (so your old p=
hotoshops not on cloud can't open this new improved PSD format)
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> as well as you don't see too far ahead if you can't see this will hurt eve=
ry other app maker out there (business strategy) - after all if you just wan=
t and use photoshop but have every other adobe app on your hard drive as wel=
l - why would you bother to pay for any other app you may only occasionally n=
eed? you won't you will just use what is there even if you don't like it or t=
here are better options out there (cause hey it's "free" and sitting on your=
 hard drive)
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> this is a market share attempt both at forcing increases of revenue and as=
 well to squeeze out competition - witness freehand and anyone who remembers=
 and owned the original macintosh remembers the dearth of painting and writi=
ng apps those first handful of years - because when you already have macwrit=
e and macpaint - why would you go spend money on another app? (this was prov=
en true and eventually the reason apple stopped including the apps)
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> in today's world - it is near impossible to compete with the massive behem=
oths of microsoft and adobe - "real" innovation is suffering and app bloat i=
s rampant. not much different then any other industry that becomes a massive=
 money maker, cars, computers, etc...  now you need millions of dollars for l=
obbyists to compete in nearly any established industry, how do you think tha=
t affects innovation and a newcomer to compete in the market? - computer app=
s are not all that much different. why do you think microsoft installs it's o=
ffice suite on every PC sold (and sells office to teachers etc for $49 it is=
 not because they think teachers are underpaid - it's market saturation stra=
tegy)
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> also this whole "cloud" thing is very flexible - like once adobe finds 90%=
 of it's user base transitioned (via no other option) on "cloud" there is no=
t much to stop that $49 monthly fee from going to $249 per month, though it w=
ill probably go up in smaller steps, $79, $99, $129 etc - this is like print=
ing money at that point - need to increase revenues to get that fat bonus? l=
et's up the monthly "cloud" price - after all the "users" will HAVE to pay i=
t now or their apps go poof and they loose access to all their data/files (i=
nsert evil laugh "moo hoo haa haa" here)
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> look at all these ISP's that use loss leader "sale" prices like that to ge=
t you on broadband (low starter prices good for 12 months and then oops they=
 go up usually double or more)  or guess what? oops again -  you app is disc=
onnected and you are out of luck.
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> in a recent "future feature" survey that was sent to me by a different com=
pany i was reading the "fine print" and it said that by agreeing to take the=
 survey you agree to their terms and included in the many clauses was any pu=
blic negative comments about their app means they reserve the right to deact=
ivate your copy of the app... yeah i deleted the survey... i'm not giving up=
 my rights (what little are left) that easily...
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> just keep in mind that a corporations interest is in making more money and=
 bonus' the corporation - nothing to do with making the users life better or=
 easier
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> on the bright side - most of these world domination attempts usually backf=
ire and it will hopefully spurn a new wave of apps by small developers that w=
ill leap a generation ahead in features and thinking. though it may be a fru=
strating few years during that future transition for most of us.
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> have a great day
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> dann
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> ___________________________________________________________________
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> Dann Stubbs  -  dann@darkskydigital.com
> Dark Sky Digital -  http://www.darkskydigital.com
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> http://www.RenderKing.com  Value Priced C4D, VRAY Render Farm
> ___________________________________________________________________
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> On May 7, 2013, at 11:13 AM, Dan Spiess wrote:
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>> Overall, it adds to the cost of our doing business, and that means money o=
ut of my pocket, without anything in return.
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>> How can I support that?
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>> Dan Spiess
>> Digital Lighthouse Productions
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