Return-Path: Received: from atl4mhob11.myregisteredsite.com ([209.17.115.49] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 5063858 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 08 May 2013 00:03:43 +0200 Received: from mail.hostingplatform.com ([10.30.71.208]) by atl4mhob11.myregisteredsite.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r47MCSVV006008 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 18:12:28 -0400 Received: (qmail 21655 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2013 22:12:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (dsd@darkskydigital.com@24.73.238.28) by 0 with ESMTPA; 7 May 2013 22:12:28 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Subject: Re: [AE] CS is DEAD From: Dann Stubbs In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 18:12:28 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: "After Effects Mail List" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) you mean despite the promises that they would be going down = substantially right? (after they vote to pass the bill that nobody has read because they have = to pass the bill to let us read it?) oh, yeah... as many on this probably pay their own healthcare like i do, = i notice it a lot. that is why i am careful and aware of what happens = and more importantly - try to be aware of what may happen... it's the = camels nose under the tent thing that scares me the most dann ___________________________________________________________________ Dann Stubbs - dann@darkskydigital.com Dark Sky Digital - http://www.darkskydigital.com http://www.RenderKing.com Value Priced C4D, VRAY Render Farm ___________________________________________________________________ On May 7, 2013, at 6:00 PM, Rendernyc wrote: > Notice how healthcare premiums go up by large percentages every year? >=20 >=20 >=20 > On May 7, 2013, at 5:50 PM, Dann Stubbs = wrote: >=20 >> hi steve >>=20 >> since i made comment on concern over future price increases as my = "theory" i am glad to see your reply >>=20 >> but i will save your email as well, and we'll see what happens i = guess... because as far as i can tell - there is no real basis behind = saying it won't go up and calling it FUD - product manager or not, i = don't think that tier makes the pricing decisions, in fact it's probably = more of a committee and we all know how rational those are right? adobe = has stock, they have shareholders, and that means profits, increases in = profits or bad projections for the shareholders. >>=20 >> the reason ATT and Verizon etc have not raised their prices it they = can't because of competition - something that adobe it quite lacking at = the moment from my perspective. >>=20 >> adobe and others like microsoft are essentially killing (often via = buying up their competition) of course there is always the chance they = won't, and sure it may not, but if they won't have adobe put a statement = on the price will NOT go up. of course they won't do that... but things = are getting more expensive, insurance for employees, electricity, food, = catering, executive compensation does have a habit of going up and not = staying the same etc... money, money, money... there is a finite market = for every product - even adobe apps. >>=20 >> if they don't raise prices then good for us the consumer! yay! i will = rejoice along with all the others, but until then someone being = concerned and expressing valid concerns about future price increases = once they are "locked on board" is as viable an opinion to me as someone = else saying that there will NOT be price increases "just because" >>=20 >> have a great evening, >>=20 >> dann >> ___________________________________________________________________ >>=20 >> Dann Stubbs - dann@darkskydigital.com >> Dark Sky Digital - http://www.darkskydigital.com >>=20 >> http://www.RenderKing.com Value Priced C4D, VRAY Render Farm >> ___________________________________________________________________ >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On May 7, 2013, at 5:12 PM, Steve Forde wrote: >>=20 >>> I want to respond to this directly as I have seen a lot of this FUD = (Fear, >>> Uncertainty and Doubt). Frankly, this is nothing but idle fear = mongering. >>>=20 >>> A subscription model has zero incentive to jack prices over time as = it >>> then introduces a strong barrier to entry for new customers. If you = live >>> in the US - go to a Verizon or AT&T store - and see if you think = entry >>> prices have gone up over the last 10 years. They haven't. >>>=20 >>> Sure there's been say new services or devices that cost extra - but = the >>> base cost of the platform in fact usually goes down - NOT up. >>>=20 >>> As for what we at Adobe have in store downstream, I can't comment - = but I >>> will state that we are highly motivated to provide value via = Creative >>> Cloud, hence the many promotions with discounts we run as incentive = to >>> join it. >>>=20 >>> S. >>>=20 >>> On 5/7/13 8:58 AM, "Dann Stubbs" wrote: >>>=20 >>>> also this whole "cloud" thing is very flexible - like once adobe = finds >>>> 90% of it's user base transitioned (via no other option) on "cloud" = there >>>> is not much to stop that $49 monthly fee from going to $249 per = month, >>>> though it will probably go up in smaller steps, $79, $99, $129 etc = - this >>>> is like printing money at that point - need to increase revenues to = get >>>> that fat bonus? let's up the monthly "cloud" price - after all the >>>> "users" will HAVE to pay it now or their apps go poof and they = loose >>>> access to all their data/files (insert evil laugh "moo hoo haa haa" = here) >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> +---End of message---+ >>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>=20 >>=20 >> +---End of message---+ >> To unsubscribe send any message to >=20 > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to >=20