Return-Path: Received: from [208.97.132.81] (HELO homiemail-a14.g.dreamhost.com) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 5066575 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 10 May 2013 20:20:59 +0200 Received: from homiemail-a14.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a14.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C34A7392077 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 11:29:50 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=influxx.com; h=mime-version :in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:from:subject :date:to; q=dns; s=influxx.com; b=tNvnRTvyjWP2H/e9FZy2kwh9lSD14x P9aQ2Mz2DBohvMOmGe3RbUS6w7qeKT3CbneLRX8nr0tf1iNmAHLN56PhS0HyHVOo VQ9nUKKg17X1UFDGv2iopGkaMI5hEYLmcY/BPRpAN8eQZYt9W+elzkrXI1NRlgPe mt6JgNAaut+go= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=influxx.com; h= mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:from :subject:date:to; s=influxx.com; bh=X5zFrZMPvzY/FDrihUV5wNpKrsM= ; b=grPnLC/0K7RaciDXqfDQ1wMzcl0DRbKr7oQMTmKkOQvrDw9nLi/lofWCdPcN fRA2KWw+DEhXAh/X1NGSuKH7tU+tfGCHZ185NEaDEF0sVrFvHHlxS5Sa6z3dDRM8 GHYwtGSCE+/RJRdYnr9Z6gIsogTVRmNKnZJz2dgQKAvtlS0= Received: from [192.168.0.16] (cpe-98-148-138-81.socal.res.rr.com [98.148.138.81]) (Authenticated sender: adam@influxx.com) by homiemail-a14.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 7EFD639206B for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 11:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--938634803 Message-Id: <90AE1FD6-68AD-4C3B-9F34-227A0A289697@influxx.com> From: adam mercado Subject: Re: [AE] CS is DEAD Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 11:29:48 -0700 To: "After Effects Mail List" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) --Apple-Mail-1--938634803 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed I too have limited my upgrades over the past 20 years to every other =20 cycle, sometimes skipping two cycles depending on finances. The last =20= upgrade I did was so painful I have been gunshy about doing another. =20 I skipped CS4, intended to do CS5 but times were just too tough and I =20= fully intended on going to CS6. The trouble is Adobe is is just one part of the puzzle, and every =20 software upgrade invariably requires a complimentary hardware =20 upgrade, and often vice versa. Upgrading to Snow Leopard caused so =20 many problems for me, nothing worked. And by nothing worked, I dont =20 really mean nothing worked, but all of the important things i depend =20 on to make a living just broke. And by broke I dont really mean they =20 were completely inoperable, but lots of little niggly things like =20 crashes, or force quits, or one function would not work properly. So looking at the hardware requirements of CS6 I felt unsure if the =20 investment would be truly beneficial. I'd need a new graphics card, =20 more RAM. I am also a one man shop in a very competitive market in a =20 down economy which means my budgets are smaller than ever. Its been a =20= really tough couple of years, but I dont think I need to explain that =20= to many of you. I cannot afford sink several thousands of dollars to =20 get my entire system up to date, when I just about got my current one =20= running smoothly (I had to nuke and repave and install everything =20 again in the correct order..FWIW..ugh) Anyhow, the CC seems like a nice way to offset the cost of owning the =20= latest software over the course of a year. Its the hardware though =20 that holds me back. I'm more likely to wait until I replace the =20 system for the NEW MacPro (ha) when this becomes obsolete, or I just =20 cannot do business based on outside influences etc. Regarding software ownership....call me old fashioned but I do like =20 the sense of ownership one gets when you open a nice chunk of =20 packaging to put on the shelf, and having the install disks with the =20 serial numbers printed on them and some nice printed manuals to =20 reference in times of confusion. I feel like my $500, $800, $1200 =20 whatever has been for SOMETHING. Even though, if you read the EULA, I =20= dont actually OWN the software, I'm merely paying for the right to =20 use it one one/two systems. It still FEELS like ownership from a =20 consumer perspective. The CC makes no difference to the way we own =20 our software, just the way we receive it I guess. Kind of like the =20 take and bake pizza. What? You mean you're charging me full whack for =20= this pizza, but I gotta take it home and cook it, MYSELF!!! Thats =20 genius marketing right there. The CC is similar to me. I gotta pay =20 for the software (although it does seem to cost less ton the whole, =20 so a better deal), I have to use my bandwidth to download it, take =20 the time to burn DVDs (unless i want to download 18GB of installers =20 again when I have to do a reinstall next week), and print out the =20 manuals. Yeah I'm being a bit flippant, who really needs the manuals =20 in print, and do I really need to keep the installer handy. But you =20 get the picture, I'm old fashioned. It'll take me a while to change =20 my perspective. It's still the 'upgrading one piece of the puzzle' fear factor for me =20= though. Adam Mercado Influxx Media Production Fullerton, CA Moving Images. For Business 714=B0928=B09896 http://www.influxx.com http://www.twitter.com/influxx http://www.linkedin.com/in/influxx http://influxx.tumblr.com/archive http://www.flickr.com/photos/influxx On May 7, 2013, at 7:50 AM, Drew Gilmore wrote: > Todd, > > One of my main concerns stems from the 'misconceptions' video that =20 > was released yesterday. (http://tv.adobe.com/watch/inside-creative-=20 > cloud/the-myths-of-adobe-creative-cloud/) During the answer to the =20= > question that starts at 2:20, am I to understand that if I'm a CC =20 > subscriber, I have one year to upgrade to whatever the newest =20 > release is? > > As it is now, I have hardware that supports CS4 at maximum, and as =20 > a nonprofit we don't have funds to upgrade that hardware anytime =20 > soon. I use CS4 practically every day. > > I can envision a time in the future as a CC subscriber that I'll be =20= > in the same boat - CC system requirements move ahead, and my =20 > hardware compatible. So what happens after one year? > > Drew > -- > Just a guy made of dots and lines. > > > On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 4:21 AM, mylenium@mylenium.de =20 > wrote: > The world's not coming to an end. As long as I have some working =20 > version of AE my little world's in order. For now I'm gladly using =20 > CS5.5 and have CS6 installed (still shunning it like the plague, =20 > though) and whether I'll ever have need for CS7 and beyond I don't =20 > know yet. If I ever should need some of the new stuff, joining =20 > Creative Cloud is more than affordable and should be a no-brainer =20 > because then I'll have the genuine need and money for it. The rest =20 > doesn't really matter. You may have "owned" the software in the =20 > past, but what good does it do you, if you can no longer use it =20 > because it's not compatible to contemporary operating systems or =20 > Adobe pull the plug on the activation servers? As far as I'm =20 > concerned, it has always been a non-issue. I'm more concerned with =20 > the technical side, that is how regularly the application manager =20 > and updaters fail, but that's another matter. Maybe it may become a =20= > problem at some point in the future when Adobe are phasing out =20 > older versions and forcing you to update e.g. from CS6 to CS9, but =20 > well, as already mentioned, there may be other technical =20 > imperatives that force that decision upon you long before that... > > Mylenium > > [Pour Myl=E8ne, ange sur terre] > ----------------------------------------- > www.mylenium.de > > > "N. B. Carroll" hat am 7. Mai 2013 um =20 > 11:34 geschrieben: > > > > > > "Activate periodically" =3D "as soon as we issue a new version, =20 > your old > > s/w stops working." > > > > It will be a cold day in a very warm place. > > > > I've been an Adobe customer since 1992. I no longer own any s/w > > versions that qualify me for upgrades. Apparently that will =20 > remain so. > > > > Cloud, schmoud. > > > > And as to why someone wouldn't want to d/l gigabytye-plus =20 > installers: > > ever heard of data limits? Ever heard of DSL? > > > > I just love people who assume that everyone's got megabucks in > > disposable income and is sitting on a T3 connection. Such arrogance. > > > > > > +---End of message---+ > > To unsubscribe send any message to > --Apple-Mail-1--938634803 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 I too have limited my upgrades over the past 20 years to every other = cycle,  sometimes skipping two cycles depending on finances. The = last upgrade I did was so painful I have been gunshy about doing = another. I skipped CS4, intended to do CS5 but times were just too tough = and I fully intended on going to CS6. 

The = trouble is Adobe is is just one part of the puzzle, and every software = upgrade invariably requires a complimentary hardware upgrade, and often = vice versa. Upgrading to Snow Leopard caused so many problems for me, = nothing worked. And by nothing worked, I dont really mean nothing = worked, but all of the important things i depend on to make a living = just broke. And by broke I dont really mean they were completely = inoperable, but lots of little niggly things like crashes, or force = quits, or one function would not work = properly.

So looking at the hardware = requirements of CS6 I felt unsure if the investment would be truly = beneficial. I'd need a new graphics card, more RAM. I am also a one man = shop in a very competitive market in a down economy which means my = budgets are smaller than ever. Its been a really tough couple of years, = but I dont think I need to explain that to many of you. I cannot afford = sink several thousands of dollars to get my entire system up to date, = when I just about got my current one running smoothly (I had to nuke and = repave and install everything again in the correct = order..FWIW..ugh)

Anyhow, the CC seems like a = nice way to offset the cost of owning the latest software over the = course of a year. Its the hardware though that holds me back. I'm more = likely to wait until I replace the system for the NEW MacPro (ha) when = this becomes obsolete, or I just cannot do business based on outside = influences etc.

Regarding software = ownership....call me old fashioned but I do like the sense of ownership = one gets when you open a nice chunk of packaging to put on the shelf, = and having the install disks with the serial numbers printed on them and = some nice printed manuals to reference in times of confusion. I feel = like my $500, $800, $1200 whatever has been for SOMETHING. Even though, = if you read the EULA, I dont actually OWN the software, I'm merely = paying for the right to use it one one/two systems. It still FEELS like = ownership from a consumer perspective. The CC makes no difference to the = way we own our software, just the way we receive it I guess. Kind of = like the take and bake pizza. What? You mean you're charging me full = whack for this pizza, but I gotta take it home and cook it, MYSELF!!! = Thats genius marketing right there. The CC is similar to me. I gotta pay = for the software (although it does seem to cost less ton the whole, so a = better deal), I have to use my bandwidth to download it, take the time = to burn DVDs (unless i want to download 18GB of installers again when I = have to do a reinstall next week), and print out the manuals. Yeah I'm = being a bit flippant, who really needs the manuals in print, and do I = really need to keep the installer handy. But you get the picture, I'm = old fashioned. It'll take me a while to change my = perspective.

It's still the 'upgrading one = piece of the puzzle' fear factor for me = though.



On May 7, 2013, at 7:50 AM, Drew Gilmore = wrote:

Todd,

One of my = main concerns stems from the 'misconceptions' video that was released = yesterday. (http://tv.adobe.com/watch/inside-creative-cloud/the-myth= s-of-adobe-creative-cloud/)  During the answer to the question = that starts at 2:20, am I to understand that if I'm a CC subscriber, I = have one year to upgrade to whatever the newest release is?
=
As it is now, I have hardware that supports CS4 at maximum, = and as a nonprofit we don't have funds to upgrade that hardware anytime = soon. I use CS4 practically every day.

I can envision a = time in the future as a CC subscriber that I'll be in the same boat - CC = system requirements move ahead, and my hardware compatible. So what = happens after one year?

Drew
--
Just a = guy made of dots and lines.


On Tue, May 7, = 2013 at 4:21 AM, mylenium@mylenium.de <mylenium@mylenium.de> wrote:
=
=
The world's not coming to an end. As long as I have some = working version of AE my little world's in order. For now I'm gladly = using CS5.5 and have CS6 installed (still shunning it like the plague, = though) and whether I'll ever have need for CS7 and beyond I don't know = yet. If I ever should need some of the new stuff, joining Creative Cloud = is more than affordable and should be a no-brainer because then I'll = have the genuine need and money for it. The rest doesn't really matter. = You may have "owned" the software in the past, but what good does it do = you, if you can no longer use it because it's not compatible to = contemporary operating systems or Adobe pull the plug on the activation = servers? As far as I'm concerned, it has always been a non-issue. I'm = more concerned with the technical side, that is how regularly the = application manager and updaters fail, but that's another matter. Maybe = it may become a problem at some point in the future when Adobe are = phasing out older versions and forcing you to update e.g. from CS6 to = CS9, but well, as already mentioned, there may be other technical = imperatives that force that decision upon you long before that... =
 
Mylenium
=  
[Pour Myl=E8ne, ange sur terre] =
-----------------------------------------
www.mylenium.de =

> "N. B. Carroll" <NBCarroll@NBCarroll.com> = hat am 7. Mai 2013 um 11:34 geschrieben:
>
> =
> "Activate periodically" =3D "as soon as we issue a new version, = your old
> s/w stops working."
>
> It will = be a cold day in a very warm place.
>
> I've been an = Adobe customer since 1992. I no longer own any s/w
> versions = that qualify me for upgrades. Apparently that will remain so.
> =
> Cloud, schmoud.
>
> And as to why someone = wouldn't want to d/l gigabytye-plus installers:
> ever heard = of data limits? Ever heard of DSL?
>
> I just love = people who assume that everyone's got megabucks in
> = disposable income and is sitting on a T3 connection. Such arrogance. =
>
>
> +---End of = message---+
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