Return-Path: Received: from [208.97.132.83] (HELO homiemail-a10.g.dreamhost.com) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 5066620 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 10 May 2013 21:04:07 +0200 Received: from homiemail-a10.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a10.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B17280075 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 12:12:58 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=influxx.com; h=mime-version :in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:from:subject :date:to; q=dns; s=influxx.com; b=qBVSDVY87drndZ9RXvNySYZFQSDvRv 7x5ewwrjSotsrsob/KmKeCA6YFNWHXr7yoVkeLkZcjhx6BDKJKGFkF5uC5Bgx51n sm6HnITTrCZ4pkoSx8B5h7p1iD3R4bCl0Bck5lHWs/UUeS/hrYXD5H+CCfpz1l6W C33+JytldP1ZQ= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=influxx.com; h= mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:from :subject:date:to; s=influxx.com; bh=xi5VvoFEVWiOyM4a1IZxEZq7nb8= ; b=VXrDOja/nT0Yszmgh93NTJCG/1w06F4jUZMoFFOzn9pmWzXw/65i6FsrJBPJ N4VYln2PCKASkZRnp93AE3kpq20v9vFe3LewRcn7DoQ9lWqLUtKzxQ69A85RWwdO kCG3cpy6XXCaBimnus63XkWRznbT/dkXg3uYwChgUxNV11k= Received: from [192.168.0.16] (cpe-98-148-138-81.socal.res.rr.com [98.148.138.81]) (Authenticated sender: adam@influxx.com) by homiemail-a10.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 583D9280074 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 12:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--936046679 Message-Id: From: adam mercado Subject: Re: [AE] CS is DEAD Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 12:12:56 -0700 To: "After Effects Mail List" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) --Apple-Mail-4--936046679 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; delsp=yes; format=flowed I love pixelmator. its cheap it looks great, can do a lot of thing PS =20= can, but it is more a competitor to elements than the full version of =20= PS. But then, for 90% of what I need to do I can do in CS1, I rarely =20 need any of the later features. And I've never used the 3D or video =20 editing features. I own and let my boy use pixelmator, but I have PS so no reason not =20 to use that. Adam Mercado Influxx Media Production Fullerton, CA Moving Images. For Business 714=C2=B0928=C2=B09896 http://www.influxx.com http://www.twitter.com/influxx http://www.linkedin.com/in/influxx http://influxx.tumblr.com/archive http://www.flickr.com/photos/influxx On May 9, 2013, at 6:02 PM, James Culbertson wrote: > A colleague mentioned they have been using Pixelmator as a =20 > substitute for Photoshop (http://www.pixelmator.com). Anyone played =20= > with that app? What is it missing compared to Photoshop? > > Thanks, > > James > > > On May 9, 2013, at 11:05 AM, Szabo Gergo wrote: > >> Smoke on Mac for 3500 USD is a great software. With great =20 >> integration of 3d files. A bit different workflow. But deffenetly =20 >> as good as AE. >> >> Az iPhone k=C3=A9sz=C3=BCl=C3=A9kemr=C5=91l k=C3=BCldve >> >> 2013.05.09. d=C3=A1tummal, 19:43 id=C5=91pontban Brad Matson =20 >> =C3=ADrta: >> >>> Autodesk Composite. >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android >>> >>> >>> From: Robert Kjettrup ; >>> To: After Effects Mail List ; >>> Subject: Re: [AE] CS is DEAD >>> Sent: Thu, May 9, 2013 4:45:25 PM >>> >>> >>> 2013/5/8 Teddy Gage >>> what competitors? Nuke? at $4,000 per seat? Motion aka iMovie: =20 >>> animation edition? >>> >>> I see where you're coming from, but there is nothing even =20 >>> remotely like AE for our market, in terms of similar price and =20 >>> features. >>> >>> >>> >>> After seeing another of those doomsday forum threads about the =20 >>> Adobe Creative Cloud (this on CGtalk.com), someone mentioned =20 >>> Hitfilm 2 UItimate (!!!) as an alternative to AE. I downloaded a =20 >>> trial on my old home computer just to check it out. >>> >>> http://hitfilm.com/ >>> >>> Well... it has a clear inspiration from AE in how it is built up =20 >>> UI wise, and in features and implementation of these they have =20 >>> copied the most popular AE plugins like Element 3d, Optical =20 >>> Flares, Keylight, Particular, colorista (v1), it is bundled with =20 >>> a version of Mocha. It even has simple builtin editor, something =20 >>> i have wanted in AE for a loooong time, and if that is not enough =20= >>> there is a Dynamic Link like feature to Sony Vegas. ... And it is =20= >>> all mostly accellerated via the GPU so in many cases realtime =20 >>> 1080p playback with effects even on my old home computer. >>> >>> I must say i was pretty impressed with what i saw. >>> ...BUT... >>> i could never see myself or any pro AE users i know use this =20 >>> instead of AE, it is lacking sooo much of the UI refinement that =20 >>> AE worked up during the last 20 years, although that also still =20 >>> could use some polish. Hitfilm is missing too many features that =20 >>> we as pro AE users rely on everyday. >>> >>> Right now it is Windows only, but they have just announced a =20 >>> kickstarter to get it ported to mac too. Coincidence that this =20 >>> was annonced right after the the Adobe CC annoncement? ;-) >>> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fxhome/hitfilm-for-mac >>> >>> I just wish that AE had more of the realtime playback of =20 >>> Hitfilm. :-D.. but i will stay with AE either way, thank you!... >>> >>> - Robert >>> >>> >>> >>> > --Apple-Mail-4--936046679 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 I love pixelmator. its cheap it looks great, can do a lot of thing PS = can, but it is more a competitor to elements than the full version of = PS. But then, for 90% of what I need to do I can do in CS1, I rarely = need any of the later features. And I've never used the 3D or video = editing features. 

I own and let my boy use = pixelmator, but I have PS so no reason not to use = that.



Adam = Mercado
Influxx Media Production
Fullerton, = CA

Moving = Images. For Business
714=C2=B0928=C2=B09896




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On May 9, 2013, at 6:02 PM, James Culbertson = wrote:

A colleague mentioned they have been using Pixelmator = as a substitute for Photoshop (http://www.pixelmator.com). = Anyone played with that app? What is it missing compared to = Photoshop?

Thanks,

James=


On May 9, 2013, at 11:05 AM, Szabo = Gergo wrote:

Smoke on Mac for 3500 USD is = a great software. With great integration of 3d files. A bit different = workflow. But deffenetly as good as AE.

Az iPhone = k=C3=A9sz=C3=BCl=C3=A9kemr=C5=91l k=C3=BCldve

2013.05.09. = d=C3=A1tummal, 19:43 id=C5=91pontban Brad Matson <bradamatson@yahoo.com> = =C3=ADrta:

Autodesk Composite.

Sent from Yahoo! Mail on = Android

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= From: = Robert Kjettrup <robert@stvmayday.dk>; =
= To: = After Effects Mail List = <AE-List@media-motion.tv>; = =
= Subject: = Re: [AE] CS is = DEAD
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2013/5/8 = Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com>
what competitors? = Nuke? at $4,000 per seat? Motion aka iMovie: animation = edition?

 I see where you're coming from, but there is = nothing even remotely like AE for our market, in terms of similar price = and features.



After seeing another of those doomsday forum threads = about the Adobe Creative Cloud (this on CGtalk.com), someone mentioned Hitfilm 2 = UItimate (!!!) as an alternative to AE. I downloaded a trial on my old = home computer just to check it out.


Well... it has a clear inspiration = from AE in how it is built up UI wise, and in features and = implementation of these they have copied the most popular AE plugins = like Element 3d, Optical Flares, Keylight, Particular, colorista (v1), = it is bundled with a version of Mocha. It even has simple builtin = editor, something i have wanted in AE for a loooong time, and if that is = not enough there is a Dynamic Link like feature to Sony Vegas. ... And = it is all mostly accellerated via the GPU so in many cases realtime = 1080p playback with effects even on my old home computer.

I must say i was pretty impressed = with what i saw.
...BUT...
i = could never see myself or any pro AE users i know use this instead of = AE, it is lacking sooo much of the UI refinement that AE worked up = during the last 20 years, although that also still could use some = polish. Hitfilm is missing too many features that we as pro AE users = rely on everyday.

Right = now it is Windows only, but they have just announced a kickstarter to = get it ported to mac too. Coincidence that this was annonced right after = the the Adobe CC annoncement? ;-)

I just wish that AE had more of the = realtime playback of Hitfilm. :-D.. but i will stay with AE either way, = thank you!...

- = Robert



 
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