Return-Path: Received: from mail-oa0-f50.google.com ([209.85.219.50] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5068010 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 13 May 2013 06:33:20 +0200 Received: by mail-oa0-f50.google.com with SMTP id l20so4029836oag.37 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 21:42:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ezHFuPXmCa8xl5tnhlwmW4fR2w8DrVzeq3VGEmu1gZo=; b=iD2zV0dUcbmEqIVIw0UJ/hxFv8r8baJdtAsP8lY8KSWA6fm/DPZkpv/aXtgGgXoLQu eZwitSKaV9K1KKIJTqZ9lUQkbW9T8veCpam4vMbkOvtPSkP89fI4v/t5R7oKd0RdglrY YGaSp7xDIb12mxwuebfj7Jm9Y6KdmzZyD+aV5qhFgiMvrb87iL8esaI8WNSnndnoiLVy khCo6J6wWa8L7RsnW14MP3+XQOR/r5xIJA95tTC3PyCLvxrhUPQRvKhCQ4MUaLk1y3Gb JKrcO7fDARz0/MopliWz7ic0Sb7CmlQ7FMbgOL3tLBuCo/kbRqP8dZblRpZGNRZHM60+ qigg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.40.65 with SMTP id v1mr12074011oek.124.1368420135963; Sun, 12 May 2013 21:42:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.153.198 with HTTP; Sun, 12 May 2013 21:42:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 00:42:15 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] CS is DEAD From: Jim Lang To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e015367f61b959504dc9224a6 --089e015367f61b959504dc9224a6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't know what the deal is with the fantastic graphics/animation package, Studio Artist. I received an email that an update was about to be announced, but it hasn't happened. Another possible alternative: I worked at a network with an old timer who only used Painter for both graphics and animation. On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 12:33 AM, Rich Young wrote: > I had to use Photoshop Elements a few years ago and thought it was fine > for what I was doing. > > Plus, the handy Adobe Lightroom will remain available separately. > > Rich > > > --- On *Thu, 5/9/13, Ko Maruyama * wrote: > > > From: Ko Maruyama > > Subject: Re: [AE] CS is DEAD > To: "After Effects Mail List" > Date: Thursday, May 9, 2013, 6:38 PM > > > Really? I used an earlier version of this. It's not close to being a > "substitute for Photoshop". But your colleague may only be using some of > the primary features of the software. It'd be easier to compare the fe= w > features Pixelmator has that are similar to Photoshop than list what's > missing. > > It was interesting software inasmuch as it was written specifically for > Mac OS, but that's about it, but then so was GIMP (also a non-starter). T= he > painting was glitchy, and lots of development of tools for little kids. > Honestly, if iMovie and iPhoto work covers his needs, then it could be a > good solution. > > More work for Photoshop artists. > More artists for Photoshop work. > More 3rd party dev for community too. > > > > On May 9, 2013, at 6:02 PM, James Culbertson wrote: > > A colleague mentioned they have been using Pixelmator as a substitute for > Photoshop (http://www.pixelmator.com). Anyone played with that app? What > is it missing compared to Photoshop? > > Thanks, > > James > > > On May 9, 2013, at 11:05 AM, Szabo Gergo wrote: > > Smoke on Mac for 3500 USD is a great software. With great integration of > 3d files. A bit different workflow. But deffenetly as good as AE. > > Az iPhone k=E9sz=FCl=E9kemr=F5l k=FCldve > > 2013.05.09. d=E1tummal, 19:43 id=F5pontban Brad Matson > > =EDrta: > > Autodesk Composite. > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > > ------------------------------ > * From: * Robert Kjettrup >; > > * To: * After Effects Mail List >; > > * Subject: * Re: [AE] CS is DEAD > * Sent: * Thu, May 9, 2013 4:45:25 PM > > > 2013/5/8 Teddy Gage > > what competitors? Nuke? at $4,000 per seat? Motion aka iMovie: animation > edition? > > I see where you're coming from, but there is nothing even remotely like > AE for our market, in terms of similar price and features. > > > > After seeing another of those doomsday forum threads about the Adobe > Creative Cloud (this on CGtalk.com), someone mentioned Hitfilm 2 UItimate > (!!!) as an alternative to AE. I downloaded a trial on my old home comput= er > just to check it out. > > http://hitfilm.com/ > > Well... it has a clear inspiration from AE in how it is built up UI wise, > and in features and implementation of these they have copied the most > popular AE plugins like Element 3d, Optical Flares, Keylight, Particular, > colorista (v1), it is bundled with a version of Mocha. It even has simple > builtin editor, something i have wanted in AE for a loooong time, and if > that is not enough there is a Dynamic Link like feature to Sony Vegas. ..= . > And it is all mostly accellerated via the GPU so in many cases realtime > 1080p playback with effects even on my old home computer. > > I must say i was pretty impressed with what i saw. > ...BUT... > i could never see myself or any pro AE users i know use this instead of > AE, it is lacking sooo much of the UI refinement that AE worked up during > the last 20 years, although that also still could use some polish. Hitfil= m > is missing too many features that we as pro AE users rely on everyday. > > Right now it is Windows only, but they have just announced a kickstarter > to get it ported to mac too. Coincidence that this was annonced right aft= er > the the Adobe CC annoncement? ;-) > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fxhome/hitfilm-for-mac > > I just wish that AE had more of the realtime playback of Hitfilm. :-D.. > but i will stay with AE either way, thank you!... > > - Robert > > > > > > > > --089e015367f61b959504dc9224a6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I don't know=A0what the deal is with the fantasti= c graphics/animation package, Studio Artist. =A0I received an email that=A0= an update was about to be announced, but it hasn't happened.
= Another possible alternative: I worked at a network with an old timer who o= nly used Painter for both
graphics and animation.=A0

<= br>
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 12:33 AM, Rich Young = <aefilter@yahoo.com> wrote:

--089e015367f61b959504dc9224a6--
I had to u= se Photoshop Elements a few years ago and thought it was fine for what I wa= s doing.

Plus, the handy Adobe Lightroom will remain available separately.
Rich


--- On Thu, 5/9= /13, Ko Maruyama <komaruyama@me.com> wrote:

From: Ko Maruyama <komaruyama@me.com>

Subje= ct: Re: [AE] CS is DEAD
To: "After Effects Mail List" <AE-List@media-motion.= tv>
Date: Thursday, May 9, 2013, 6:38 PM


Really? I used an earlier version of this. =A0It's no= t close to being a "substitute for Photoshop". =A0But your collea= gue may only be using some of the primary features of the software. =A0 =A0= It'd be easier to compare the few features Pixelmator has that are similar to Photoshop than list what's= missing.

It was interesting software inasmuch as it was= written specifically for Mac OS, but that's about it, but then so was = GIMP (also a non-starter). The painting was glitchy, and lots of developmen= t of tools for little kids. =A0Honestly, if iMovie and iPhoto work covers h= is needs, then it could be a good solution.

More work for Photoshop artists.
More artists= for Photoshop work.
More 3rd party dev for community too.
<= div>


On May 9, 2013, at 6:0= 2 PM, James Culbertson wrote:

A co= lleague mentioned they have been using Pixelmator as a substitute for Photo= shop (http://www.pixelmator.com). Anyone played with that app? What is i= t missing compared to Photoshop?

Thanks,

James


On May 9, 2013, at 11:05 AM, Szabo Gergo wrote:

=
Smoke on Mac for 3500 USD is a great so= ftware. With great integration of 3d files. A bit different workflow. But d= effenetly as good as AE.

Az iPhone k=E9sz=FCl=E9kemr=F5l k=FCldve

2013.05.09. d=E1= tummal, 19:43 id=F5pontban Brad Matson <bradamatson@yah= oo.com> =EDrta:

Autodesk = Composite.

Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android


From: Robert Kjettrup <robert@stvma= yday.dk>;
To: After Effects Mail List <= AE-List@media-motion.tv>; =
Subject: Re: [AE] CS is DEAD =
Sent: Thu, May 9, 2013 4:45:25 PM =


2013/5/8 Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com>
what competitors? Nuke? at $4,000 per seat? Motion aka iMo= vie: animation edition?

=A0I see where you're coming from, but t= here is nothing even remotely like AE for our market, in terms of similar p= rice and features.



After seeing another of those doomsday forum threads about = the Adobe Creative Cloud (this on CGtalk.com), someone mentioned Hitfilm 2 UItim= ate (!!!) as an alternative to AE. I downloaded a trial on my old home comp= uter just to check it out.


Well... it= has a clear inspiration from AE in how it is built up UI wise, and in feat= ures and implementation of these they have copied the most popular AE plugi= ns like Element 3d, Optical Flares, Keylight, Particular, colorista (v1), i= t is bundled with a version of Mocha. It even has simple builtin editor, so= mething i have wanted in AE for a loooong time, and if that is not enough t= here is a Dynamic Link like feature to Sony Vegas. ... And it is all mostly= accellerated via the GPU so in many cases realtime 1080p playback with eff= ects even on my old home computer.

I must say i was pretty impressed with what i saw.
...BUT...
i could never see myself or any pro AE users i kn= ow use this instead of AE, it is lacking sooo much of the UI refinement tha= t AE worked up during the last 20 years, although that also still could use= some polish. Hitfilm is missing too many features that we as pro AE users = rely on everyday.

Right now it is Windows only, but they have just announ= ced a kickstarter to get it ported to mac too. Coincidence that this was an= nonced right after the the Adobe CC annoncement? ;-)

I just wish that AE had mor= e of the realtime playback of Hitfilm. :-D.. but i will stay with AE either= way, thank you!...

- Robert



=A0