I had to use Photoshop Elements a few years ago and thought it was fine for what I was doing. Plus, the handy Adobe Lightroom will remain available separately. Rich --- On Thu, 5/9/13, Ko Maruyama <komaruyama@me.com> wrote: From: Ko Maruyama <komaruyama@me.com> Subject: Re: [AE] CS is DEAD To: "After Effects Mail List" <AE-List@media-motion.tv> Date: Thursday, May 9, 2013, 6:38 PM Really? I used an earlier version of this.  It's not close to being a "substitute for Photoshop".  But your colleague may only be using some of the primary features of the software.    It'd be easier to compare the few features Pixelmator has that are similar to Photoshop than list what's missing. It was interesting software inasmuch as it was written specifically for Mac OS, but that's about it, but then so was GIMP (also a non-starter). The painting was glitchy, and lots of development of tools for little kids.  Honestly, if iMovie and iPhoto work covers his needs, then it could be a good solution. More work for Photoshop artists. More artists for Photoshop work. More 3rd party dev for community too. On May 9, 2013, at 6:02 PM, James Culbertson wrote: A colleague mentioned they have been using Pixelmator as a substitute for Photoshop (http://www.pixelmator.com). Anyone played with that app? What is it missing compared to Photoshop? Thanks, James On May 9, 2013, at 11:05 AM, Szabo Gergo wrote: Smoke on Mac for 3500 USD is a great software. With great integration of 3d files. A bit different workflow. But deffenetly as good as AE. Az iPhone készülékemről küldve 2013.05.09. dátummal, 19:43 időpontban Brad Matson <bradamatson@yahoo.com> írta: Autodesk Composite. Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android From: Robert Kjettrup <robert@stvmayday.dk>; To: After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>; Subject: Re: [AE] CS is DEAD Sent: Thu, May 9, 2013 4:45:25 PM 2013/5/8 Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com> what competitors? Nuke? at $4,000 per seat? Motion aka iMovie: animation edition?  I see where you're coming from, but there is nothing even remotely like AE for our market, in terms of similar price and features. After seeing another of those doomsday forum threads about the Adobe Creative Cloud (this on CGtalk.com), someone mentioned Hitfilm 2 UItimate (!!!) as an alternative to AE. I downloaded a trial on my old home computer just to check it out. http://hitfilm.com/ Well... it has a clear inspiration from AE in how it is built up UI wise, and in features and implementation of these they have copied the most popular AE plugins like Element 3d, Optical Flares, Keylight, Particular, colorista (v1), it is bundled with a version of Mocha. It even has simple builtin editor, something i have wanted in AE for a loooong time, and if that is not enough there is a Dynamic Link like feature to Sony Vegas. ... And it is all mostly accellerated via the GPU so in many cases realtime 1080p playback with effects even on my old home computer. I must say i was pretty impressed with what i saw. ...BUT... i could never see myself or any pro AE users i know use this instead of AE, it is lacking sooo much of the UI refinement that AE worked up during the last 20 years, although that also still could use some polish. Hitfilm is missing too many features that we as pro AE users rely on everyday. Right now it is Windows only, but they have just announced a kickstarter to get it ported to mac too. Coincidence that this was annonced right after the the Adobe CC annoncement? ;-) http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fxhome/hitfilm-for-mac I just wish that AE had more of the realtime playback of Hitfilm. :-D.. but i will stay with AE either way, thank you!... - Robert